Bath conundrum

tomstickland

andrew-b wrote: »

No way can you have a washbasin between loo and door..you'd need to be a stick insect to get past that! Also you need room in front of WC to physically stand up.

Yes, we talked about this and decided it wasn't ideal.

A 1700mm bath without going into the linen cupboard leaves you only 500 for a basin in that corner..that's pretty tight as you'll be stood close to the wall.

My friend was advocating a corner sink right from the start, but the longer bath makes the space a bit too tight for that.

As you've already considering the structural route: I'm thinking rather than try to achieve the impossible of fitting everything into such a tight space what if you were to move the entire door wall downwards in your plan by 300 to 400 mm - then have bath top to bottom of the plan on the left..then basin and wc lined up along the top wall you've currently got the bath along.

We don't really want to get into moving complete walls. The alcove idea is reasonable simple - just a matter of cutting the plasterboard, removing various bits of wood and rebuilding a few things out of wood and plasterboard.

Moving pipework is not a problem.

aliasojo

andrew-b wrote: »

No way can you have a washbasin between loo and door..you'd need to be a stick insect to get past that!

You can get cloakroom slimline hand rinse basins that are around 250mm deep. If the bath is 700mm wide that would leave 450mm to get past, which might not be optimal but would be useable. It would depend on what was more important to the person using the facilities...bath size or basin size.

andrew-b

I don't think you can get what your after with regard to smaller overhang. You can of course just shorten the visible portion of overhang by letting it into the wall but then the overflow and waste outlet will likely be getting to near the wall. If it's a stud partition you then end up having to rebuild the linen cupboard wall anyway! You'd also have to go the wall-mounted mixer route but presumably pipes comes straight through wall from linen cupboard so fairly trivial. Also you then lose useful space to stand your bottles, soap etc - perhaps not that major as you still have space all down one side of bath (not much though ) - unless you deliberately move it out from the wall and create a shelf down the side).

keystone

andrew-b wrote: »

No way can you have a washbasin between loo and door..you'd need to be a stick insect to get past that!

With respect thats abject nonsense. Measure it again.

A 1700mm bath without going into the linen cupboard leaves you only 500 for a basin in that corner..that's pretty tight as you'll be stood close to the wall.

Yes it will be little tight but it is workable and will be alot easier than faffing with the bath.

Although you can get basins to fit in that space it's not really suitable for a bathroom..a cloakroom where the basin is just to wash hands fair enough!

Don't agree. Totally depends on the style.

For what it's worth our basin is in a recess about 680mm wide (we were going to try shove a bath into it ..i even cut out the plaster before we changed minds to ditch it for shower!) - i wouldn't really recommend any narrower a space.

You do what you have to do with the available space.

As you've already considering the structural route: I'm thinking rather than try to achieve the impossible of fitting everything into such a tight space.

It really isn't that tight. Try refitting a bathroom with loo, bath and WHB thats only 1.6m x 1.6m. Now that IS tight.

Cheers

tomstickland

It's all a matter of opinion and, as I said, we've considering all of these options.

Another idea we discussed is to partially bury the bath into the wall, leaving us with around 600mm between bath and wall, and then putting a narrow toilet into that space. We're going to measure the gap at a friend's house because we noticed that space was just about large enough is his bathroom.

andrew-b

aliasojo wrote: »

You can get cloakroom slimline hand rinse basins that are around 250mm deep. If the bath is 700mm wide that would leave 450mm to get past, which might not be optimal but would be useable. It would depend on what was more important to the person using the facilities...bath size or basin size.

Sure it's possible but it's really not ideal. If its a 30inch door thats at least 800mm taken up by door..a close-coupled toilet is say 700mm deep . That leaves you 700mm width for basin..enough room for the basin but nowhere near enough room in front of the toilet..also not enough room in front of the bath when physically getting out of it. To cram it all in is easy...to be functional and usable is a whole different story though!
This bathroom is smaller than my own..mine is about 1800mm x 1800mm but with an additional recess for the basin and planning that was far from easy (even if i did end up with similar to what was there originally!!). Small bathrooms are a nightmare for sure.

aliasojo

andrew-b wrote: »

Sure it's possible but it's really not ideal. If its a 30inch door thats at least 800mm taken up by door..a close-coupled toilet is say 700mm deep . That leaves you 700mm width for basin..enough room for the basin but nowhere near enough room in front of the toilet..also not enough room in front of the bath when physically getting out of it. To cram it all in is easy...to be functional and usable is a whole different story though!
This bathroom is smaller than my own..mine is about 1800mm x 1800mm but with an additional recess for the basin and planning that was far from easy (even if i did end up with similar to what was there originally!!). Small bathrooms are a nightmare for sure.

To be fair though....will there ever be an 'ideal' with a room only 1400 wide? Compromises will have to be made somewhere, whether it's losing some wall to stick in a bath or having a small basin etc. In the end I think you have to choose what you're able to compromise on and work from that.

The toilet wont be 700mm wide so if it was placed nearer the edge of the bath, there will be room even if the basin is on the door wall (and also the basin wont be 700mm wide either).

When we refurbed our bathroom we had loads of layouts and none were just perfect, in the end we picked what was more useable for us as a family, I daresay it wouldn't have suited someone else as much. My need was for as big a bath as I could fit it, I was happy to compromise on basin and toilet size.

I see your points but my 'importants' are just different to yours I think.

andrew-b

keystone wrote: »

With respect thats abject nonsense. Measure it again.

Your entitled to your opinion (even if it is wrong lol)...but i was basing this on recommendations from bathroom manufacturer's. Sure they are recommendations and it can be shoe-horned in but it makes the bathroom a nightmare in the usability stakes. I spent many months planning our own small bathroom and spent a long long time searching through bathroom brochures looking at dimensions.

Here's a handy article on bathroom design that gives you some rough ideas of the space required around sanitaryware:

http://diydata.com/planning/bathroom/bathroom_design.php

...so stick that in your pipe n' smoke it

keystone

andrew-b wrote: »

Your entitled to your opinion (even if it is wrong lol)...but i was basing this on recommendations from bathroom manufacturer's. Sure they are recommendations and it can be shoe-horned in but it makes the bathroom a nightmare in the usability stakes. I spent many months planning our own small bathroom and spent a long long time searching through bathroom brochures looking at dimensions.

...so stick that in your pipe n' smoke it

Don't you damned well patronise me. A large proportion of my business is fitting bathrooms. A very large part of that process is making it sensible, usable and easy to live with. I object to the implications of what you are saying and so I'm going to bow out of this thread and let you get on with overcomplicating it. :mad:

Bye.

andrew-b

Lol was no less patronising than your post to me! I give as good as i get. Though mine was tongue in cheek and you've taken it completely the wrong way! You have your view..i have mine. I'll leave it at agreeing to disagree and you can have your spanner back you just chucked out the bath!