Pensions Planning: The NUMBER

atush

sheslookinhot said:

I think we are generally a classless society now.

keep thinking that.  As an outsider i think you might be wrong.

elantan

atush said:

sheslookinhot said:

I think we are generally a classless society now.

keep thinking that.  As an outsider i think you might be wrong.

I agree, the UK still has a class system, there was a hell of a lot of fore lock tugging just last month for example 

jimpwarsop

Terron said:

savingholmes said:

I think the term working class is ironic - as I'd be considered middle class I reckon - but still have to work for my living so where's the logic... I have working class roots - but then most of us have...

One definition is
Working class - work with their bodies (physical labour)
Middle class - work with their minds 
Upper class - do what they please

Between sixteen and fifty I did some physical jobs, some mental jobs, since fifty I have been "doing what I please".

Definitely working class oik though.

Terron

elantan said:

atush said:

sheslookinhot said:

I think we are generally a classless society now.

keep thinking that.  As an outsider i think you might be wrong.

I agree, the UK still has a class system, there was a hell of a lot of fore lock tugging just last month for example 

A 2011 survey found that classes still exist, but have changed.

trevjl

Job has very little to do with it these days, its your attitude that makes you what you are.

I know people that are high flying professionals but have awful attitude in general and are certainly not what used to be classed as upper class. Obliviously visa versa applies in which I would include myself having just completed 43 years skilled manual work from comprehensive school with 2 O levels and never had a day without employment.

saucer

trevjl said:

Job has very little to do with it these days, its your attitude that makes you what you are.

I know people that are high flying professionals but have awful attitude in general and are certainly not what used to be classed as upper class. 

I wouldn’t see upper class and having an awful attitude as mutually exclusive. Au contraire. 

Nebulous2

trevjl said:

Job has very little to do with it these days, its your attitude that makes you what you are.

I know people that are high flying professionals but have awful attitude in general and are certainly not what used to be classed as upper class. Obliviously visa versa applies in which I would include myself having just completed 43 years skilled manual work from comprehensive school with 2 O levels and never had a day without employment.

Do upper class people work / need to work?  

My son was at a party whilst at university and met a young woman doing a degree he didn't think would lead to a well-paying role. He asked her what she was going to do afterwards. Her response was "I don't know, mummy doesn't want me to work." This didn't compute for him, so he said "If you don't work, what will you do for money?" Her response was - "I can assure you, that will not be a problem." 

Here's an article about class from today. I think when you're brought up in it, it is difficult to see the wood for the trees. What we see as normal can be very bizarre to an outsider.... 

What the absurd class cosplay of Rishi Sunak and Liz Truss tells us about Britain | Nesrine Malik | The Guardian 

arnoldy

The biggest mistake people make about class is to think its about money, wealth. It is far more subtle than that. It is about, for example, how you hold your cutlery, your accent, the way you speak and think, do you have tats? Do the males wear a Wedding ring if married? what sort the sort of car you drive - for example many upper class people would drive a VW never a Vauxhall. What do you eat in the evening? is it Supper, Dinner or tea? What would you think if someone served you Yorkshire pudding with roast chicken? Is mustard served straight from the jar on the table or decanted? etc etc etc

Terron

arnoldy said:

The biggest mistake people make about class is to think its about money, wealth. It is far more subtle than that. It is about, for example, how you hold your cutlery, your accent, the way you speak and think, do you have tats? Do the males wear a Wedding ring if married? what sort the sort of car you drive - for example many upper class people would drive a VW never a Vauxhall. What do you eat in the evening? is it Supper, Dinner or tea? What would you think if someone served you Yorkshire pudding with roast chicken? Is mustard served straight from the jar on the table or decanted? etc etc etc

If you care about things like that you are probably middle class.. The working class can't afford to care. The upper class can ignore such things. They drive whatever they want to, or what they can afford if they don't have a lot of money.

The UK has always had relatively poor upper class people due to the tradition of estates going to the eldest son. Other sons were expected to get jobs, often in the army or church

cobson

arnoldy said:

 What would you think if someone served you Yorkshire pudding with roast chicken? 

I'd think it was Sunday. Or maybe my birthday.