Massive Job Losses expected in Public Sector

Spartacus_Mills

Old_Slaphead wrote: »

Ok, what is "interim supply chain work" ?

In basic terms it is contract management and Buying. Ordering products and setting up contracts for services.

olly300

Spartacus_Mills wrote: »

The lack of knowledge of recruitment consultants is shocking. Many of them come from either HR or direct from Uni. They have little knowledge of what the end client wants. Also the lack of communication after an interview or after a conversation about a job is appalling. Some of the better ones to deal with tend to be the more specialised ones that specifically target industries and/or job roles.

Most of my friends, my family and I, myself, work in different specialised industries. We all have stories on how shocking recruitment consultants and HR people are in their lack of knowledge.

And what's sad you are actually genuinely shocked when you interact with someone who has got knowledge doing one of those jobs. It's nothing to do with them being
specialised is due to that particularly individual taking the time out to find out more about the industry they are involved in plus reading, remembering and understanding the laws involved in their area of work.

Spartacus_Mills

olly300 wrote: »

And what's sad you are actually genuinely shocked when you interact with someone who has got knowledge doing one of those jobs.

That is very very true. A very sad state of affairs.

zygurat789

So what started off as a thread about public sector jobs being scrapped turns out to be an exposure of private sector agencies who it would appear are the one who have it all to lose.
It is the private sector agencies who have been encouraged by the govt. actions who appear to employ all these workers, so it may be public sector jobs but it will be private sector workers who lose them.
Seems like everbody on here wins, except agency workers in the public sector.

carolt

1984ReturnsForReal wrote: »

There goes someone who really doesnt know what they are talking about.


I have over 13 years experience, including:

Management (management of vacancies & management of several consultants & several branches)
Teaching
Engineering
Nursing

& normal day to day muppet admin jobs which require a totally different person than those needed at jobcentres to be able to identify & understand the needs of a position & find the right candidate.

But I guess you feel you can get these people for £13k per annum.

MUPPET.....

Not sure who you're trying to insult. Is it me?

If you're claiming that all those who work in recruitment are professionals, that simply isn't true - see Olly's excellent post above, and my own experience backs this up.

I can assure you that most of those who work in big call centres fielding teacher recruitment calls are not teachers, certainly not in the relevant disciplines, and you'll be lucky if you find one with a even a basic knowledge of the specific emplyer let alone the specific job.

Also, have you ever actually worked in a job centre? I have no reason to believe those people are of some inferior calibre - though I'd imagine that their working conditions were somewhat less pleaseant. And their pay probably lower, if what Hamish says is true.

olly300

carolt wrote: »

Also, have you ever actually worked in a job centre? I have no reason to believe those people are of some inferior calibre - though I'd imagine that their working conditions were somewhat less pleaseant. And their pay probably lower, if what Hamish says is true.

There is a lot of difference between job centre staff and recruitment consultants due to the fact that at the lower level of recruitment agencies the staff turn over is high. This is because if people can't get enough leads and keep their clients happy by placing "appropriate" people they get sacked.

However as you pointed out it doesn't mean all job centre staff are useless. I've personally seen 2 who could have made it in the private sector if they wanted.

bungle4x4

Great news, hope they start slimming it down immediatly.

1984ReturnsForReal_2

carolt wrote: »

Not sure who you're trying to insult. Is it me?

If you're claiming that all those who work in recruitment are professionals, that simply isn't true - see Olly's excellent post above, and my own experience backs this up.

I can assure you that most of those who work in big call centres fielding teacher recruitment calls are not teachers, certainly not in the relevant disciplines, and you'll be lucky if you find one with a even a basic knowledge of the specific emplyer let alone the specific job.

Also, have you ever actually worked in a job centre? I have no reason to believe those people are of some inferior calibre - though I'd imagine that their working conditions were somewhat less pleaseant. And their pay probably lower, if what Hamish says is true.

If you're claiming that all those who work in recruitment are professionals, that simply isn't true - Dont try & change my words. I never said that or indicated that at all.

I can assure you that most of those who work in big call centres fielding teacher recruitment calls are not teachers - I dont need to be assured of anything. I am fully aware of how some agencies are set up & run. The people you speak to are not recruitment consultants. By the way very very few teachers would make it as a recruitment consultant.

Also, have you ever actually worked in a job centre? Yes. I have worked in 20 or 30 alongside jobcentre staff & spent all in all about 3 or 4 months in them... You??


You seem to have a major problem understanding the skills required in the different sectors you speak about.

Also, for your information a high number of frontline staff at Jobcentres are on temp contracts & a higher number are underpaid & maybe one or two of them in every branch has anything like the skills needed to place people like a recruitment consultant would do. Its little skills like PICKING UP THE PHONE WITHOUT BEING PETRIFIED (for an example that 90% would fail on) that matter.

StevieJ

Spartacus_Mills wrote: »

In basic terms it is contract management and Buying. Ordering products and setting up contracts for services.

Interesting title for a buyer, supply chain infers to me someone involved in distribution/internal movement of product within a company i.e. some kind of optimization role.

Spartacus_Mills

StevieJ wrote: »

Interesting title for a buyer, supply chain infers to me someone involved in distribution/internal movement of product within a company i.e. some kind of optimization role.

Well TBH doing contract roles you do a variety of stuff although I see my core skills as cost aqnd contract management it is not just buyingyou end up involved with it is also the goods inwards and supplier quality side of things you get involved in to varying degrees.