Massive Job Losses expected in Public Sector

carolt

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

:rotfl:

Sometimes, you just have to phrase things in a way these leftie loony types will understand.

A large and bloated public sector is not an asset for society, it's a disease, much like cancer, and it must be cured. No matter how painful the treatment is, because if it's allowed to grow any further it will end up killing the economy.

The role of government is to provide the bare minimum of services required for society to function and to do so as cheaply and efficiently as humanly possible.

So let's get this right, Hamish. The global economic collapse was caused by those pesky teachers, civil servants, nurses, policemen and binmen, then.

Absolutely NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with those pesky bankers then.

Repeat after me, private good, public bad, private good, public bad, Maggie is divine, her second coming is nigh. :rolleyes:

Oooh you are a scream.

carolt

1984ReturnsForReal wrote: »

You would have to up the rate of the jobcentre staff to get some professionals in there who know what they are doing.

At the moment it more than half full of know-at-alls (who know nothing) & people just not cut out for commercial interaction.

'Professionals who know what they're doing'?

Have you ever contacted a pivate recruitment agency? How difficult do you think the job is? Do you imagine they know the first thing about the profession they're dealing with? They're not 'professionals' - since when was working for a recruitment agency a profession?

Believe me, I've dealt with several as a teacher, and they can't tell their !!!! from their elbow.

Not that I suspect the mugs at the call centres are very well-paid. It's the owners of the agencies who make the profits.

purch

Massive Job Losses expected in Public Sector

This obviously cannot be good news for unemployment

Never let it be said that this forum isn't the place for in depth economic analysis :eek:

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

carolt wrote: »

No idea why not. Some probably are. But on the whole, these jobs are recruited via PRIVATE agencies. If it was done via the job centres, it would save us money in the long un, though in the short term you'd get worse candidates, as professionals in these areas wouldn't normally ever go to the job centre or look at the jobs it has listed; they're not usually out of work currently, so they look at professional agencies that focus on their area.

I agree, I think developing specialisms within the job centres, to cater for professional-level jobs as well as unskilled work, would be an investment in the long term.

I actually agree with much of what you say there.

But in reality, upskilling job centres to deal with professional candidates is unrealistic. I doubt the typical job centre employee could ever hope to grasp the intricacies and nuances of placing candidates at a high level.

Our company doesn't even bother placing cleaners vacancies at the job centre these days. As the costs of doing so, getting poor and unreliable candidates, choosing from a bad bunch, having unreliable cleaners, not being able to open businesses on time because they weren't cleaned, losing sales and customer good will, etc, caused us to outsouce the entire cleaning contract to an agency.

On the surface it appears that we pay more, but it's much cheaper in the long run. Which may also be the case for agency staff in other sectors as well.

carolt

They have cleaning agencies? Certainly never noticed them.

How do they find cleaners normally?

Spartacus_Mills

carolt wrote: »

So let's get this right, Hamish. The global economic collapse was caused by those pesky teachers, civil servants, nurses, policemen and binmen, then.

Absolutely NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with those pesky bankers then.

Repeat after me, private good, public bad, private good, public bad, Maggie is divine, her second coming is nigh. :rolleyes:

Oooh you are a scream.

Actually the government with its lax regulation of the banking sector through the FSA has made things far worse in our country.

I also take it that the teachers, bin men, policemen, Nurses and so on were not indulging in this orgy of borrowing that has brought us to where we are today ? It is just the bankers fault then, not the people who borrowed beyond their means ?

Fact is we do not have the money whatever the reason.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

carolt wrote: »

'Professionals who know what they're doing'?

Have you ever contacted a pivate recruitment agency? How difficult do you think the job is? Do you imagine they know the first thing about the profession they're dealing with? They're not 'professionals' - since when was working for a recruitment agency a profession?
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The recruitment agency that we use as a company are extremely professional and use specialised recruiters for different sectors. In fact, the one that recruited me used to work in our industry at management level, so understands the job roles well. I'd be fairly sure he's on at least 60K, and he's not the most senior person we work with.

Recruiters for the many millions of jobs above the 40K mark will be earning good money, will more than likely be well qualified to degree level, and have specific CIPD qualifications on top of that.

A friend of mine is a recruiter that specialises in senior management, she has a masters degree, used to be an HR director, and as a recruiter makes well in excess of 100K a year.

ruggedtoast

I notice how certain people who fly off the handle at the merest suggestion that bears may be happy about job losses relating to lower house prices, rub their hands together in glee at the thought of public sector jobs going.

Hypocrisy much?

chucky

Spartacus_Mills wrote: »

Actually the government with its lax regulation of the banking sector through the FSA has made things far worse in our country.

which Government? this one or the previous one or even both?

Spartacus_Mills

carolt wrote: »

They have cleaning agencies? Certainly never noticed them.

How do they find cleaners normally?

There are several big players such as ISS and Wings, also we have local players such as the one I placed a contract with when in Peterborough, Beeby's.

There are plenty out there.

I have set up and managed a couple of cleaning contracts. Hamish is right with regards to cleaning and it is cheaper in the longer run. It also enables you to allow the experts to deal with your cleaning rather than keeping in house a service that adds no value to your business. Also if the cleaners do a bad job, as the ones prior to Beeby's did, you can get rid of the contractor and bring someone else in. Sure they have to have the same personnel but a change in management works wonders.