Massive Job Losses expected in Public Sector

robredz

Old_Slaphead wrote: »

I don't think that it's particularly prescient of them. The public sector is the only place that jobs have been created in any great numbers for the past decade.

Lets face it the default option for many university students who don't get a good enough degree grade to pursue their chosen career is to go into either teaching or the civil service.

So now we know why and how the country has gone to the dogs,

Geeves1980

Old_Slaphead wrote: »

Lets face it the default option for many university students who don't get a good enough degree grade to pursue their chosen career is to go into either teaching or the civil service.

I think that's a bit unfair. Many people only go to University because they had to have a degree in order to get onto the teacher training, they always wanted to be teachers.

Many of them probably didn't realise the absolute horrors they would be teaching and the complete lack of support and back up from the parents. (btw I'm not a teacher).

I could read before I started school because my mum bothered enough to teach me. Now some kids can't even wipe their own bum properly or eat with a knife and fork.

new_home_owner_3

mbga9pgf wrote: »

I agree. But we need to move away from being shocked every time NICE turn round to some 80 year old geriatric and try and explain to them why they are not worth £80,000 worth of anti cancer drugs when they wont last another 10 years in all probability anyway.

The premise for the NHS was free basic healthcare, palliative if necessary. It should not be expected to pay the salaries of all at GSK and all its shareholders.

People dont like the fact that they get sick and may die early. We simply do not have the state resources to save everyone, nor should we try. The NHS is drastically overbudgeted, if they cut the NHS budget by 25%, yes, there would be a cut in front line NHS capability, but so what? At least the well would be able to enjoy a reasonable existence without being taxed to death!

i think thats a bit harsh the 80 or 90 year old might have worked all their lives paying national insurance, taxes and probably went to war for the rest of us, so why shouldnt they be treated if they have paid their way in life.

We see it every day people come from different countries get housed, free medical care and cash handouts, without putting a penny back into the country through paying national insurance or tax as they just sit on their arxses doing jack, these are the people who should be refused nhs treatment.

Im not saying all of them but to say a 80 year old who as probably paid much more back into this country than a lot of scroungers who just take take take and give nothing backs is being very harsh.

Remember we all get old.

i8change

Originally Posted by bendix
Meanwhile, i will be hiring two new staff in the New Year. I shall be discarding all those I see with public sector experience on their cvs. I don't want any anorak-wearing timeservers in my team.

Lucky them.

I doubt they would want to work with a jumped up little hypocrite who spends a fair chunk of his working? life on the internet, criticizing the working practices of others.

Old_Slaphead

Geeves1980 wrote: »

I think that's a bit unfair. Many people only go to University because they had to have a degree in order to get onto the teacher training, they always wanted to be teachers.

Many of them probably didn't realise the absolute horrors they would be teaching and the complete lack of support and back up from the parents. (btw I'm not a teacher).

I could read before I started school because my mum bothered enough to teach me. Now some kids can't even wipe their own bum properly or eat with a knife and fork.

I didn't say ALL teachers initially went to university with a different career path in mind - merely that many of those that underachieved ended up teaching or in CS because they were the areas with a plentiful supply of jobs.

As for your other comments - I completely agree

thescouselander

bendix wrote: »

I'm afraid the public sector workers have it coming to them, and - because of their arrogant attitude of the last eighteen months - noone in the private sector will feel any sympathy for them now.

The private sector has been decimated; there have been no sacred cows for us. When the private sector dared to question the better pay, better pensions and general unaccountability of the public sector by comparison, the public sector brigage in here got all defensive and talked about their rights.

Well, it's your turn now, pals. And I for one think it's about time.

Meanwhile, i will be hiring two new staff in the New Year. I shall be discarding all those I see with public sector experience on their cvs. I don't want any anorak-wearing timeservers in my team.

I'm surprised you see this situation as good news. Yes, the public sector spends a lot but most of it is spent buying goods and services from the private sector. Also, public sector employees go out and spend their money further benifiting the private sector.

When the cuts are made (and they will certainly be severe) the private sector is going to be in for more pain. You say the private sector has been decimated, personally I dont think we've seen the worst of it by a long way.

kriss_boy

Old_Slaphead wrote: »

I don't think that it's particularly prescient of them. The public sector is the only place that jobs have been created in any great numbers for the past decade.

Lets face it the default option for many university students who don't get a good enough degree grade to pursue their chosen career is to go into either teaching or the civil service.

I disagree. Of all the graduates I know, none of those with 'lesser' degrees ended up in the public sector.

You cant have it both ways- blaming both the employer and the employees and generalising about the public sector in the way that most people do on these boards just alienates other posters.

Old_Slaphead

kriss_boy wrote: »

I disagree. Of all the graduates I know, none of those with 'lesser' degrees ended up in the public sector.

You cant have it both ways- blaming both the employer and the employees and generalising about the public sector in the way that most people do on these boards just alienates other posters.

I can have an opinion - that's what these boards are for.

Job creation over the past decade has been negligible in the private sector whilst the public sector has increased by over 20% (+ 1 million).

I'm constantly being told the standards are rising in the public sector because they're employing more graduates. Rubbish - today's degree is not worth anymore than yesteryear's HNC/HND

If there are no private jobs being created and universities are churning out vast quantities (but not all) of mediocre graduates then where are they going - no brainer really - the only place where there have been vacancies. No matter what graduates career aspirations' if they flunk their grades, there's only one or 2 places they're likely to end up. Most of the professions can pick and choose - but it seems that the teachering profession and CS will take almost anyone.

Maybe none of your university acquaintances ended up in the public sector but virtually all mine did.

kriss_boy

Old_Slaphead wrote: »

I can have an opinion - that's what these boards are for.

Course you can, thats why I responded with my two cents.

davilown

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Now, how many of those 1.5 million employees are directly associated with patient care? ie, Doctors, Nurses, Lab Techs, etc..... I'd be very surprised if it was more than 50%, but for the sake of argument lets assume it's more like 65%. So surely you could slash at least half of the rest, the middle managers, etc, and have no adverse impact on care standards.

OMG someone knows that we actually exists and we even get mentioned in the same line as Doctors and Nurses!!!!!!! :eek::eek::eek:

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