What reasons for advanced payments on arrears?

speedster

not at all.

the whole system stinks for pwc and nrp.

your case is not unlike many i've heard. mp involvement often gets things moving. i would advise EVERYONE to contact their mp and hassle them about it.

perhaps if we all did it, they'd have to sit up and take notice.:rolleyes:

PlayingHardball

speedster wrote: »

a couple of points.


firstly, i'm nothing like your ex, and secondly, i'm paying the correct amount according to THEIR rules.

Sorry, but you are. He is paying £0. You are paying £5 per week. may be according to their rules, but only marginally as there is a loophole when it comes to the self employed.......not much difference, both assessments don't take your own kids into the equation. Other than he earns significantly nore than you, you are both of the same mentality. You are both not in my highest regard, sorry. I don't mean that as a dig at you personally, simply stating that you are using the system to benefit you...not your kid/s

speedster

PlayingHardball wrote: »

Sorry, but you are. He is paying £0. You are paying £5 per week. may be according to their rules, but only marginally as there is a loophole when it comes to the self employed.......not much difference, both assessments don't take your own kids into the equation. Other than he earns significantly nore than you, you are both of the same mentality. You are both not in my highest regard, sorry. I don't mean that as a dig at you personally, simply stating that you are using the system to benefit you...not your kid/s

i see where you're coming from, but the csa is her choice.

she's lied, committed fraud blocked contact, blackmailed to increase her award. i'm playing by the same rules. your username indicates your "approach" to things. i'm just playing hardball myself.

it's just i'm better at it than her. the csa will never get me down. they're too thick for starters.

she's been offered a far more generous package by me. she's driven by jealousy and spite though and refuses to accept it. she's convinced the csa will destroy me. fat chance.

talk about cutting your nose off to spite your face.

i've offered her £100 a month for day to day stuff plus the lions share of uniforms, trips, shoes, books, etc, etc.

that's on top of the £100 a month i put into savings for her.

you tell me why she wont accept it and gets a fiver a week and spends hours on the phone to them whinging and getting me reassessed every 5 minutes.

CSA_Help

PlayingHardball wrote: »

Sorry, but you are. He is paying £0. You are paying £5 per week. may be according to their rules, but only marginally as there is a loophole when it comes to the self employed.......not much difference, both assessments don't take your own kids into the equation. Other than he earns significantly nore than you, you are both of the same mentality. You are both not in my highest regard, sorry. I don't mean that as a dig at you personally, simply stating that you are using the system to benefit you...not your kid/s

Hardball
What loophole is there for the self employed ??

Also in my opinion a lot of NRP are forced into Self Employment or worse still Benefits because of the CSA mess .If the system was more fairer for both .
What child needs £100 per week to survive ?

speedster

PlayingHardball wrote: »

. I don't mean that as a dig at you personally, simply stating that you are using the system to benefit you...not your kid/s

just re reading and had a thought.

you state that i'm using the system to benefit me and not my child, but.............

how would you describe cutting contact from virtually 50/50 to 1 night a week to stop me getting a reduction? pure greed.

how is that benefitting my child?

strangely enough the n0bhead at the csa who advised her on this course of action couldn't see my problem either. i did ask if she was going to pay my court fees for getting my contact back to an acceptable level.

it was at that point i informed her and the muppets at the csa that they could all go take a long walk on a short pier and decided to fight back.

like i've posted before, this "government" (i use the term loosely as they couldn't run a tap) may well promote and financially reward contact blocking, but i wont. :mad:

Kimitatsu

CSA_Help wrote: »

Hardball
What loophole is there for the self employed ??

I am going to leave this thread open for now...............

I did have to comment on this though! My ex went SE to avoid paying the CSA, I can prove that the day before he had to respond to the CSA he made himself into a ltd co putting 50 out of the 51 shares into his girlfriends name - he is listed as the MD she as the secretary.

Because she holds all of the shares I have been told by the CSA that it is up to her how much she gives him in dividends and they are powerless to do anything about it.

Now up until that point maintenance had been at best sporadic and he rang me and told me that because I went to the CSA he would make sure I got nothing. So you tell me there is no loophole The system can be abused by both sides, not just the NRP or the PWC.
Also in my opinion a lot of NRP are forced into Self Employment or worse still Benefits because of the CSA mess .If the system was more fairer for both .
What child needs £100 per week to survive ?

CM is not about survival, its about a contribution where possible to the standard of living the child had before the parents split up. So if they lived in a decent house, with horse riding and a ballet class every week then there should be a contribution from the NRP to enable them to still do that.

In defence of the NRP (and speedster I would refute those claims in recent weeks!!) contact should never be used as a bartering tool and until the courts use the teeth they have then there will always be the PWC who does feel that the NRP should be paying for the lifestyle they would like to become accustomed to.

speedster

indeed.

the aussie system is far better.

they stop the pwc's money if contact blocking occurs without valid (DV etc) reasons. :T

and surprisingly their compliance rates are far higher than uk's. i wonder why!

speedster

also kimi,

if your nrp suddenly stuck the share in his mrs name after the csa became involved then an appeal on "deprivation of income" would probably suceed.

CSA_Help

Kimitatsu

I wasn't married to my ex and had no legal rights of the child .I was forced out of my house for her to get the new boyfriend in .Ran up lawyers bills as she wouldn't let me see the child which i haven't for the last 14 years and she thinks she can still run my life even though i am happily married with my our own son .

I am bitter about her and the way the CSA handle things .I have paid my way for years and i know it will end soon and child can make his own mind up .:o

Kimitatsu

CSA_Help - see I do agree that some PWC's need to move on, we have a PWC just like that, 10 years on and it still my OH's fault that her life is the way it is :rolleyes: yet we pay a breathtaking amount of money in CM, and still under CS1 because the computer cant cope (even though we should have been transferred to CS2 years ago) We have also done the three ring circus of contact orders, non compliance, abusive texts, her trying to drag me into court until the judge told her to grow up and stop behaving like a brat - the list is endless.

Equally you will see that some NRP's do everything to not pay for their children, and I can understand why you feel the system is unfair.

On this one I agree with speedster (there is a date for the diary speedy :rotfl:) that the aussie system is one of the fairest because there is very little wriggling room on either side, there is a set amount for maintenance and non compliance is dealt with swiftly and more importantly enforced.

My stepchildren now are at an age where they can make up their own minds and we have a lot of contact with them, so hang on in there and you will see the best of it in the end. Equally my children now they can make up their own minds dont want to see their natural father, their choice and certainly not manufactured by me, that had been his choice to mess about and refuse to pay and play the games with them.

As for the bitterness, wont do you any good (and I know LG is going to tell me off here ) but it is your ex's loss, as your son will come back to you at some point and it may take a little bit of time but keep all of the paperwork so you can show him how hard you tried and what you did. Keep going with your case against the CSA because that is maladministration but dont give them the bitterness, you have better things to do

Right just tell myself off for going off topic now as this has nothing to do with advance payment of arrears :rotfl: