Taxpayer funds familys £1,600 per week rent - The Times

fc123

PasturesNew wrote: »

It is counted as taxable income, but I don't see how he can be paying tax on it as he was getting the £64/week JSA for a single person... and you start paying tax at about £120/week.

So something's not quite right there.


30 years of working doesn't make it much easier if you've not been continuously employed in one type of job, preferably with qualifications in that thing.

30 years on the sofa non stop does things to people though. Better to have had variety of work and experiences than non stop sofa and JK.

I would bet you £5 you will get something far easier that she....and better paid too. You have skills and a track record. The locations you have lived in may not have helped and you are going to address that issue too.
That's the difference.

SingleSue

fc123 wrote: »

To be fair snooze/Rob, we started out on a terrible estate but most people were PLU's (people like us) and there weren't many PLT's (people like them) just the PLT's made a lot more noise and trouble.

To say all people on rough estates are bad is not fair or true...it's only a minority.

We lived on a bad estate as it was all that was on offer at the time and we were skint. When we upped our earnings, we gave it back.

We aren't skint now (maybe a little indebted) but our family values haven't changed since we lived there.

Very true.

I have lived on two estates and apart from the odd family, the majority were decent, hardworking people with excellent values.

Just people like us.

My current estate is very decent, probably helped by the large number of pensioners living here...there is only one bad family which we all avoid like the plague!

In fact, we can get quite snobbish about who has the best garden and the neatest appearing frontage, which children are doing better at school etc!

SingleSue

fc123 wrote: »

30 years on the sofa non stop does things to people though. Better to have had variety of work and experiences than non stop sofa and JK.

I would bet you £5 you will get something far easier that she....and better paid too. You have skills and a track record. The locations you have lived in may not have helped and you are going to address that issue too.
That's the difference.

This is my greatest fear actually, that by the time I can have Sue time again and be able to commit fully to working full time, that I will be overlooked due to being out of the job market for so long.

I have skills and a track record but with each passing month, it is getting further and further into my history.

Still yet to watch JK though!

elaina79

ILW wrote: »

But are you living in a luxury house that 99% of working people could not afford, being paid for by them very people?

I live in an average house that most working people could afford, the reason I know this is because me and my husband were working when we moved in. We had what I would call average jobs.

PasturesNew

elaina79 wrote: »

I live in an average house that most working people could afford, the reason I know this is because me and my husband were working when we moved in. We had what I would call average jobs.

You mean the average working couple. Which excludes average working singles.

And maybe you just don't realise how well off you are/how great your jobs are, compared to others.

fc123

SingleSue wrote: »

This is my greatest fear actually, that by the time I can have Sue time again and be able to commit fully to working full time, that I will be overlooked due to being out of the job market for so long.

I have skills and a track record but with each passing month, it is getting further and further into my history.

Still yet to watch JK though!

But not 30+ years Sue........with all the issues the boys have now, I guess you'll have to wait just a few years . How's the studying coming on? Must be dead difficult to fit it in at the mo....even if that's just the headspace.:o

Would it not be possible to ''make'' your ex take them sometimes? Even just a weekend?

fc123

treliac wrote: »

It's one thing insisting that someone is ready and willing to take work. Another to find an employer willing to offer a job.

Those who have been out of work for endless years, maybe have never worked, are not likely to be employees of choice. This factor alone could reinforce their position as benefits claimants and undermine any govt attempts to change the status quo.

One of the best lectures I ever had at college years back was by 'A Union Man''....couldn't tell you more about him and hardly anyone attended as it was about employment issues etc. This was back in the olden days...maybe 1985.
At the start he explained what he did (defend workers rights etc) and asked us all to write down a list of what we expected from our employers, what we wanted from them and what we felt important for a good employer/employee relationship. OK, we were all bright young things and wrote stuff like 'Job satisfaction, help with career progress, great pay, holiday pay' and so on. We gave him the lists.
Then he went through lots of rules and we had a break.

Next part was being self employed and, then the implications of employing and the laws etc surrounding that. He had us write up imaginary businesses (handily I had a real P/T one at the time ...my market stall, freelance illustration and trend forecasting) and how well we would do.
Then, what if you need some help, are overworked and losing opps due to lack of time?

You need to employ someone.

He got us to write a list of what we would want from a member of staff.

...and then he matched up all our lists. It was sooo embarrassing.

I remember it to this day and plagiarised some of that lecture and put it into one I did a few years back to some unemployed young people who wanted to be self employed within my sector.

I haven't got an answer to the OP but I have been an employer for years and it's so difficult to marry up everyones wants and needs.

I can honestly say, we have employed some slightly ''off the radar'' types over the years and sometimes it worked, other times it didn't but I would struggle to employ, in a small business, someone from the JC who had been unemployed for 25 years say. That sounds terrible to say, but it's true.
Fortunately, I am having a rest from employing (and loving it despite the overwork) apart from a P/Timer and son. But I will need to when we move back to London.

SingleSue

fc123 wrote: »

But not 30+ years Sue........with all the issues the boys have now, I guess you'll have to wait just a few years . How's the studying coming on? Must be dead difficult to fit it in at the mo....even if that's just the headspace.:o

Would it not be possible to ''make'' your ex take them sometimes? Even just a weekend?

It will become easier once adult services become involved, childcare wouldn't be such a problem then.

Study is ok, there is a natural break at the moment due to one course finishing and waiting for the next one to start (it's weird being out of step with the normal academic year), hopefully find out on December 18th, if I have passed this first course...if I do, I am entitled to have letters after my name! Next course in the degree starts at the beginning of Feb, I did try to squeeze anouther course in but I couldn't get funding and couldn't afford to pay.

Ex looking after them? Think the sea would have to freeze over before he would do that, he is coming down today until Sunday and he is feeling oh so generous and is having them for 2 hours on Saturday for the first time since December 30th last year.

That is if he gets all his other stuff sorted first :rolleyes:

b0rker

Everyone who receives states benefits should be made to do work for the state with the possible exception of some on disability allowance (depending on the nature of the disability and the work they were made to do).

If they refuse to do this work then their benefits would be reduced to the very very bare minimum (food stamps and small, cramped accommodation).

People on benefits should NOT be in a better position than those who are employed. Otherwise there is no impetus to work!

There has to be a deterrent to being on benefits and very obvious positives from not being on benefits.

I would vote for any party that promised this, with the exception of the BNP.

donaldtramp

Totally with you Borker.
I'm sick of seeing people living of my back.
Is it any wonder there are queues of people at Calais who have travelled through many "civilised" countries in which they could have claimed asylum only to bed down at Calais and try to get to Britain at all costs.

I'm sick of the way Britain is being run.
I'm sick of hearing people speaking about their "rights" their "entitlements" and demanding everything they can from the state. I think they simply do not realise that it is other people who are carrying them and their offspring. Housing, feeding, watering, heating, providing medical services, fire, police, welfare services, etc etc etc for them.
If we continue down this route we will go bankrupt, pure and simple.