Taxpayer funds familys £1,600 per week rent - The Times

lostinrates

the_ash_and_the_oak wrote: »

It was really a comparison of two philosophical viewpoints rather than questions requiring answers (ie - the way we ask/phrase questions is as telling as any answers to them)

Hmm, I see the two as different questions, not differen appraches to the same question, myself! But agree with your i.e. Totally. I think that is the primary difference in the reasonable-within-spitting-distance of moderate- centre ground left or right.

moggylover

bo_drinker wrote: »

The trouble is we are into 3rd generation benefits culture now, it all kicked off before this Gov't but nothing has been done to stop them shelling out kids for an easy ride. Whole families/streets are on the make big time and there seems no answer from those who should be coming up with real answers just words. No party could sort this mess in a term, certain parts of the country are bordering on 3rd world while up the road others are creaming the system !!!!!! ???
Those that have paid their way and become unemployed due to recession deserve more due to paying their way but they get jack !!!!!!. Meanwhile the scum get their money week in week out a55es wiped from now till retirement and get the same pension . Is that right !!!!!! ??

I can agree with much of the content of this post! However, the persistent insistence on calling people "scum" exhibits exactly the ignorance and lack of vision that has brought our country to its current sad position and thus you and your ilk will always remain part of the route cause of the problem and not the answer.

the_ash_and_the_oak

lostinrates wrote: »

Hmm, I see the two as different questions, not differen appraches to the same question, myself! But agree with your i.e. Totally. I think that is the primary difference in the reasonable-within-spitting-distance of moderate- centre ground left or right.

They are different questions! thats my point

We have to probably be clearer with ourselves about what we want society to look like - and that comes as much from the questions we want to ask and how we phrase them rather than from the answers to those questions imo

the_ash_and_the_oak

eg - the posts about 'scum'.

Do we want there to be a gutter?
Do we want there to be 'scum'?
And if not - who would we like to populate the gutter?

moggylover

the_ash_and_the_oak wrote: »

If there are those that are able to pull themselves out of the gutter then why should we extend help to those that couldn't follow that example for themselves

vs

Why is there a gutter?

Because one needs a whole set of skills and "gifts" in order to make that climb and not everyone is endowed with these! I, for instance, came from an educated background if not a wealthy one and was incredibly fortunate in the sheer blind luck of an intellect that stood up and shouted even when I tried to whisper. Climbing out for me was more a case of being unable to stay where I was rather than aiming to climb out: and I am not at all convinced that it brought me any happiness:D.

Furthermore, I was fortunate in being a child of the 50's and 60's when it was much easier to stand out and climb out if you had such a gift than it has become today.;)


There remains a gutter because we choose to close our eyes to the makings of that gutter and encourage it to remain so that we can have cheaper "things" for the consumer and make more money for the rich. It also gives some of us something to set ourselves up as being "better than" and misdirects the anger of those too blind to see so that those that are truly taking us for a ride can continue to do so:D

lostinrates

moggylover wrote: »

Furthermore, I was fortunate in being a child of the 50's and 60's when it was much easier to stand out and climb out if you had such a gift than it has become today.;)

OK, this is important I think.... Why do you think i was easier then than now?

The_White_Horse

SingleSue wrote: »

How would that work for carers of a disabled relative who is unable to take on work, or where work would be difficult due to the amount of care duties?

if so much wasn't wasted on scum, there would be money for NHS carers, letting the relative go out to work

The_White_Horse

lostinrates wrote: »

OK, this is important I think.... Why do you think i was easier then than now?

because now, under labour we are all the same. we all get A star star star

1 + 1 = 2. that is now a doctorate in applied mathematics. Its simply unfair that only math geniuses get them. we are ALL ENTITLED to a PhD in maths.

lostinrates

The_White_Horse wrote: »

if so much wasn't wasted on scum, there would be money for NHS carers, letting the relative go out to work

Why is it better to have NHS care than parental care? Parental care is likely to be better value for the same money spent by tax payer.

The_White_Horse

fine, as long as they don't expect more pay/benefit than the NHS carer.

personally, if i was a high earner, I would want to work to get the best for the child, and let the carer care for them.