Taxpayer funds familys £1,600 per week rent - The Times

chambta

If they aren't working they have no reason to live there.

Stick em in Burnley. That'd save a fortune and they'd be far more inclined to work so he can earn enough to escape.

leveller2911

laurel7172 wrote: »

I spent some time today with a "former asylum seeker", that is, a genuine refugee, born in a displaced person's camp and with a distressing level of knowledge regarding what happens when a bomb goes off.

He lives with his family in one room. Six of them, sharing mattresses on the floor. The father works, the older children are in college, and that's all they can afford.

We can all play anecdotes, but it's wrong to assume that everyone who comes here is handed a £200k lifestyle on a plate, or is unwilling to work hard to support themselves or better themselves (and pay tax). Cases like the one in the OP attract headlines precisely because they are exceptional.

Don't take this the wrong way but you yourself are posting Anecdotal evidence.Do you know what exactly happends when a bomb goes off(apart from TV) ? if you Don't then how do you know what theyre saying is true?....Im not judging but hearing someones story/account doesnt mean its the truth.

My problem with "Asylem seekers" is two fold, firstly the vast majority cross endless borders to get here ,why? because we are a soft touch in my opinion, you only have to look at the thousands trying to get here from France.Secondly and I have no figure to prove this but I have NEVER seen a family of Asylem seekers at or near Sangatte(seem to find it easy making familes when they get here), they all seem to be young men, now if I/my family was in danger of our lives and fleeing persecution I wouldnt leave my family to face the danger, we all go or no one goes.......Oh and YES I have been through the Sangatte area..

I agree we should do our bit and in fact we do.Nations of the EU promised millions of grants and aid , France, Germany and others failed to deliver(France in particular donated sod all ,full of empty promises as is Italy) We as a nation did deliver and I for one get fed up with people saying we should do "Lots more".......:rolleyes:

No doubt I,ll get slated from certain quarters but tough.....I have had 3 lorries with "Asylem seekers" fleeing from lorries near my workshop in the last 2 years.Speak as I find, not what I hear....

the_ash_and_the_oak

chambta wrote: »

If they aren't working they have no reason to live there.

Stick em in Burnley. That'd save a fortune and they'd be far more inclined to work so he can earn enough to escape.

See where you are coming from w this but not sure Burnley is the best place for a concentration camp imo

fc123

OK..I usually avoid these threads now as they get so heated but it is the system at fault here...... the family and the fact they are refugees from 1991 is just a detail.

If the rules are as such then any one of us could have loads of kids and get supported if we chose to, but this family won't be on that 'income' for ever, nor live in a mansion for ever either.
At some point, the kids grow up and leave home, the money reduces bit by bit until all they receive is a couples unemployed allowance and a smaller place paid for....if that.
Isn't there a new rule that you have to go onto JSA once kids reach aged 7?

I will confess to being quite shocked at the amount of benefits/tax credits some households receive. I have read SOA's on other boards with single mum, 3 kids and a P/T job bringing in £600pcm...the other income in TC etc totalled about £2300pcm ....that's take home.

It just traps people and subsidises employers (it's all been said before).

leveller2911

Hopefully a link......www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/france-and-italy-renege-on-pledges-to-aid-africa-1702180.html

Like to highlight the part where "Britain is single out as the ONLY one of the G8 that has met the UN goal of spending 0.7% of national income on overseas development".

fc123

Someone mentione building LA housing for those out of work (and unlikely to work as they have big families) in areas that no longer have much employment...I think Rhonda Valley came up.
On paper seems like a reasonable solution but it could create even more social problems......I hate the word ghetto...but it could create a type of G that no-one can ever escape from.

PasturesNew

fc123 wrote: »

Someone mentione building LA housing for those out of work (and unlikely to work as they have big families) in areas that no longer have much employment...I think Rhonda Valley came up.
On paper seems like a reasonable solution but it could create even more social problems......I hate the word ghetto...but it could create a type of G that no-one can ever escape from.

The Rhondda wouldn't be any good. I heard an anecdotal of somebody who wanted to buy a house there (they are about £20-30k still) ... but they couldn't get a mortgage as they couldn't find a surveyor who was prepared to drive up there. It was "too dangerous".

They're lovely people ... but really been piddled about over first the mines, then lack of any alternative employment, then Cardiff BTLers rushing up to snap up cheap houses to rent back to them.

Also, houses up there do tend to be 2-up-2-down old mining cottages, so they'd need a row of them. Although I did just look for, say, a 6-8 bed house - it looks like the BTL/HMO lot moved in: http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/Rhondda-Cynon-Taff.html?sortByPriceDescending=true&maxPrice=250000&minBedrooms=5&displayPropertyType=houses&oldDisplayPropertyType=houses&includeSSTC=true&_includeSSTC=on

Quite a range of 5+ beds. 36 of them up to £250k.

bo_drinker

fc123 wrote: »

Someone mentione building LA housing for those out of work (and unlikely to work as they have big families) in areas that no longer have much employment...I think Rhonda Valley came up.
On paper seems like a reasonable solution but it could create even more social problems......I hate the word ghetto...but it could create a type of G that no-one can ever escape from.

Too late, it's a ghetto up there and unfortunately no hope. 20-30k for a house ?? I wouldn't pay that for a street full :eek:

Mr_Mumble

leveller2911 wrote: »

Hopefully a link......www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/france-and-italy-renege-on-pledges-to-aid-africa-1702180.html

Like to highlight the part where "Britain is single out as the ONLY one of the G8 that has met the UN goal of spending 0.7% of national income on overseas development".

Imagine you're a family with an income of £49,600 but this year your expenditure will be £67,100. This £67,100 includes £747.40 to a foreign aid charity which you intend to increase to £914 next year. If you went to the CAB what would the adviser tell you to do?

(For anyone who doesn't get the analogy, just multiply the figures by £10m for the UK government's receipts, expenditure and overseas development aid this year. sources: p.12 of http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/d/Budget2009/bud09_chapter1_237.pdf & p.11 of http://www.parliament.uk/commons/lib/research/briefings/snep-03714.pdf).

Radsteral

I hot the tv and the black furniture to suit with it are as part of furnished flat! otherwise i would have many doubts of his unemployed status;)
Though if he s bought them himself- i give it 10 out of 10 for taste;)
The guy looks cool as a cucamber- i cant believe some people have not the slightles shame and no pride on anything