The Little Book of Cruelty-Free

sparklya

As a scientist, I thought I would add the following to spice up the debate, and potentially open myself up to loads of abuse:

http://www.peoplespetition.org.uk/
http://www.pro-test.org.uk/

[I am in no way affiliated to these organisations, and in fact have just ordered the cruelty-free book for myself].

phil140701

i posted this as a choice for others who dont want to buy products tested on animals not for people to start mass debates if this carries on i'll edit my post and remove the links as this post does not reflect my personal views in any way

JamesM_2

I hope you don't have to remove it just because of one or two prejudiced individuals that feel the need to stir up arguments.

It's a good freebie, I feel more ethical already, and I haven't even got it yet!

madnis7

JamesM wrote:

I hope you don't have to remove it just because of one or two prejudiced individuals that feel the need to stir up arguments.

It's a good freebie, I feel more ethical already, and I haven't even got it yet!

Which individuals are being prejudice? I personally feel there is nothing unethical about animal testing.

aquarian3

Thank you for the link, I've also visited another great wesbite - Animal Aid's one - I got a vegetarian booklet through and have decided to change my eating habits to not include animals (who've been through the mill (literally)).

needstoknow

hey there only animals who cares if we test on them! this book is a waste of paper!

Fenris

madnis7 wrote:

And you would rather those things happen to humans than animals. I don't really believe that they "pointlessly" test on animals. In fact the testing does have a point or else it wouldn't be any kind of test at all. I believe this is an oxymoron.

My answer to your question would be, yes, I would rather people suffer than testing on animals be permitted. Animals don't need make-up or shampoo etc. Hence, pointless testing. If humans want to test these things, why not use death row inmates? They're going to die anyway. Why subject an innocent life to tourture for something that's never going to benefit it's species?

Your whole argument hinges on the assumption that humans are "better" than animals and that animals aren't living, feeling members of our planet.

As for the amimal testing not being pointless, why is it then that ALL drugs have warnings about side-effects? Why do hair colourants contain warnings about possible reactions? Why does some make-up affect people in different ways (breathing, blistering skin etc)? If these things have shown no reaction in animals and are "safe" for humans to use, how come they still cause these effects in humans?

Answer: because humans aren't small, furry creatures. We're not the same as rats, mice and rabbits, let alone dogs or any other creature you care to mention.

Unfortunaly there are always going to be people who think tourture and suffering of others is a good thing. Thankfully, there are many more of us who believe the opposite...

rhoeds121

Fenris wrote:

Unfortunaly there are always going to be people who think tourture and suffering of others is a good thing. Thankfully, there are many more of us who believe the opposite...

All drugs will be tested on animal models in Phase I/II trials. They are so successful I can scarcely put it into words. Of course there are anomalies, like the 'well publicised medical trial', that will always be the case.
Only an idiot thinks humans are superior to animals. Animal drug testing is unpleasant but the benefits speak for themselves. I bet fenris has lost count of the number of drugs he has used that wouldnt exist without these trials.
Until we get a better alternative, the tests continue.
Fenris, didnt you ever cut up a rat in school?

darkteckno

Just search for Seroxat on google to see how good animal testing can be.

Liessa_8

rhoeds121 wrote:

All drugs will be tested on animal models in Phase I/II trials. They are so successful I can scarcely put it into words. Of course there are anomalies, like the 'well publicised medical trial', that will always be the case.
Only an idiot thinks humans are superior to animals. Animal drug testing is unpleasant but the benefits speak for themselves. I bet fenris has lost count of the number of drugs he has used that wouldnt exist without these trials.
Until we get a better alternative, the tests continue.
Fenris, didnt you ever cut up a rat in school?

The booklet is mostly for finding cosmetic products not tested on animals. Many people would happily go without lipstick which has been tested on animals. Medical testing is a different issue I think.