How much profit do you think you make for the company you work for after your salary?

Cleaver

In a previous job I worked with a team that were responsible for changing the way in which some patients at an NHS Trust were treated, which an audit showed probably saved a good few lives.

Not sure how much that is worth in a monetary figure though.

lynzpower

My job doesnt always involve "making profit" more "minimising loss"

mbga9pgf

Not sure how much that is worth in a monetary figure though.

You have arguably cost the country a fortune in pensions if they are old.

Serious question, how seriously are the NHS warming to HF and error reporting provision? Do you have a departmental error reporting system yet or is it purely on a per hospital basis?

Or is it still the case that you have old consultant miserable gets that just shout down the juniors and Nurses, who subsequently dont have the confidence to challenge said consultant whilst he is removing the wrong kidney?

Really2

treliac wrote: »

Some have to be indians, we can't all be chiefs!

Oh I am a chief now. But still do the odd bit of selling,
If your not an indian any more you still need to know you can take a scalp.

treliac

mbga9pgf wrote: »

I am a loss maker. I typically burn 60-120 tonnes of fuel in a day, so I dont come cheap either. However, my job ensures the company doesnt lose assets, valued between 30-200 million a piece.

Our_Love_Turned_To_Rust wrote: »

Pilot?.....

Furnace keeper?

Cleaver

mbga9pgf wrote: »

Serious question, how seriously are the NHS warming to HF and error reporting provision? Do you have a departmental error reporting system yet or is it purely on a per hospital basis?

I don't know what HF is or fully understand your question. Are you referring to errors in clinical care? These are reported on an individual, departmental, hospital and national basis.

mbga9pgf wrote: »

Or is it still the case that you have old consultant miserable gets that just shout down the juniors and Nurses, who subsequently dont have the confidence to challenge said consultant whilst he is removing the wrong kidney?

I'm sure that stereotypical image you describe still exists here and there. However, most juniors, nurses and other clinicians of the twenty first century would be more than happy to question a poor consultant's attitute and judgement and there are plently of ways and means nowadays to get that type of consultant off a ward. Multi-disciplinary teams means that the situation you've described above doesn't happen much any more.

Aren't you in the armed forces mbagsg9fgafa? Let's see if I can come up with an equally generalistic, sterotypical, incorrect hypothesis for your organisation. Erm, oh, yeah, okay...

How are you guys getting on with killing innocent women and children of a different colour to you in shanty towns around the world?

Cleaver

mbga9pgf wrote: »

I didnt expect a tirade of abuse and being accused of indescriminate murder.

You didn't. You got an example, satirical question which someone may ask if they had a very stereotypical, generalistic and incorrect view of what the armed forces do.

I said I worked with a team that saved people's lives. You stated that this was a waste of a pension and then asked if doctors still bully other members of staff, which was a very stereotypical, generalistic and incorrect view of how the NHS works.

You see?

Plasticman

I'm back in the public sector so not making a profit for my employer at moment. But I will have reduced costs by just over £1 million p.a. by the end of March. Sadly my pay isn't based on performance!

kabayiri

My money is on mbga9pgf working with a refuelling air tanker in some capacity.

We are a persistent lot you know, we will guess it in the end

mbga9pgf

Sorry, take your point. Tongue in cheek. I wasnt serious. Of course saving life is something that is literally priceless. I have seen it in action, most of the time I mainly doze, you see life saving work going on, you realise what you are involved with. Its actually pretty scary.

I was serious about the HF question, I google NHS/Medical HF and get nothing. Type Aviation HF and compare the response. Reason I ask: Medical world and aviation are the identical in terms of stressors that cause human error. Examples:

Fatigue, short term and cumulative. Both aircrew and doctors can work in excess of 24 hours. Both can work well in excess of this.

Highly trained individuals with similar personality assessments (typically extrovert) with can do attitudes.

Both involve personnel that dont like getting things wrong.

Long periods of low intensity monotonous work, followed by short busts of intense, high concentration work.

Both jobs are highly procedural

Both types are subject to similar personalities, personality gradients etc. EG, very senior surgeon operating with a brand new surgeon (not in an instructional role). In aviation, this is known as an adverse cockpit gradient and is seen as a very bad thing.

Both are subject to adverse media reaction in the event of error. "doctor cut off wrong leg" "Pilot did not lower gear".

Its an area that is facinating, I am curious as to what level of integration the medical system has taken from what we have learned. For example, have you heard the phrase "Just culture" before? I know its tree huggerish, its something that is facinating none the less.

Edit: The americans are getting there at least:

http://www.justculture.org/