Definition of White Goods

HappyMJ

googler wrote: »

You were too vague, IMHO. You should have specified "to include cooker, washing machine, dishwasher ...." etc etc as appropriate. Specify WHAT you want included as items, rather than generic categories.

I've seen some really specific agents' schedules recently, including this one;

"All light fittings, fitted flooring and blinds are included in the sale, along with the washing machine, fridge/freezer, bathroom shelves, bathroom cabinetry, and the two garden sheds. All curtains, loose rugs or other loose floorcoverings are specifically excluded from the sale. Freestanding plant pots in the garden are also specifically excluded. Items of furniture may be available by separate negotiation. "

Is there any room for doubt here?

None at all so i'll be taking all the energy saver light bulbs with me when i leave and not replacing them with anything. The description says fittings and that means the bulbs are coming with me.....:rotfl:

tek-monkey

I always thought of white goods as fridge/freezer/dishwasher/washing machine where appropriate. I do not consider cooking appliances as white goods, although obviously if fitted I would be expecting them to be included.

My vendor invited me over to discuss what they would leave, and what they wanted for other stuff. Made it a lot easier. Now if only I could buy the place!

Milliewilly

ajbohanna wrote: »

Hi,

I'm an FTB and have just had an offer accepted on a house.

As part of the offer we requested that the White Goods were to be included.

We've now just had an email from the vendor via the EA that they would be taking the cooker and would we like to make an offer for it? (along with some other items).

My interpretation of White Goods would be any major appliance within a Kitchen e.g. Fridge/Freezer, Washing Machine and Cooker. So we expected the cooker to be included in our offer for White Goods.

Should we go back to the EA and dispute this or go through our solicitor? Or are we incorrect about our assumption of what White Goods actually are?




Thanks for any advice

Have you had the fixtures and fittings form yet? If you really want the house then make them a low offer for the cooker as it will be a hassle for them to take it and they are lucky that they have found a place to buy exactly with a kitchen the cooker will fit into! Otherwise, let them take it and buy yourself one from EBay!

Make sure everything works too that they are leaving or you will be left with the problem of dumping it and buying replacements. Had this happen to me with an integrated Fridge Freezer.

Another point is the cooker mentioned in the brochure as I had to sign an agreement with my EA stating anything mentioned in the brochure was included in the sale unless specifically listed in the brochure as by seperate negotiation.

pie81

I don't think it really matters what "white goods" includes. The fact is that the vendor's acceptance of your offer is non binding anyway until exchange, so they are perfectly able to revise the terms of the deal by removing any or all of the appliances from that deal - even if they were originally included.

The ball is now in your court as to whether you accept that revised deal or whether you try to renegotiate. Basically you have a choice:

1) accept that you'll have to buy a new cooker
2) say you wanted the cooker included and you will only buy the place if it is
3) say you wanted the cooker included and therefore your offer is reduced by £500 (ie cost of a replacement cooker).

If you do 1) then the sale definitely proceeds, but you have to shell out for a new cooker. If you do 2) or 3) then the vendor may say yes or may say no.
Or you might be able to agree to meet in the middle, say a £250 reduction.

It all depends on how strong your bargaining position is i.e. how much do they need this sale vs how much do you need to buy this property. I would imagine most vendors and buyers are not going to give up on a sale simply because of a £500 cooker - so it's just a question of negotiation until one of you blinks.

Fire_Fox

This is why I always submit my best and final offer in writing, stating my strong position as a buyer (no chain, finances in place) and the basis of the sale (no further viewings, what is included, any queries). I know verbal offers are the norm but I can't understand why people would spend tens and even hundreds of thousands of pounds by just viewing a place twice and a Chinese-whispers verbal agreement!

SandC

I would tell them it's okay you don't want the cooker. Chances are they will leave it anyway.

sarah_elton

pinkshoes wrote: »

I've rented a house with "white goods" and it always included the cooker!

Could you not just drop your offer by £500 or something?

But isn't that because landlord's have to provide a cooker? So all rented places come with one, and some have white goods on top of that.

To me white goods have always been fridge, washing machine, freezer, dishwasher... Things that are white 99% of the time.

OP - I wouldn't have classed a cooker as a white good either I'm afraid.

johnson293

Personally, I would also class white goods as Fridge, Freezer, Washing Machine or Tumble Dryer.

However, these pages suggests that major cooking appliances may also be classed as white goods...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_appliance

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=90321&dict=CALD

Maybe worth discussing with the vendor, as said above. Will they want to lose a sale for the sake of the cooker?

pinkshoes

sarah_elton wrote: »

But isn't that because landlord's have to provide a cooker? So all rented places come with one, and some have white goods on top of that.

There's no obligation in a rented unfurnished house to provide a cooker. My gran had her own cooker which she ported from one unfurnished rental to another.

In any "white goods" property I've rented, it's had a cooker.

lincroft1710

Chambers Dictionary defines "white goods" as :

Refrigerators, washing machines, dishwashers, freezers and similar appliances.