Puppy Rottweiler

suki1964

lostinrates wrote: »

Oh, she's so pretty!

Fwiw my concern over less legitimate breeding is further narrowing of genepools. Personally I'd rather more healthy, (typey) dogs had fewer litters (perhaps breeders could offer a breeding srvice for puppy owners of exceptionl type)...but that brings problems of its own, I do not deny that! I'd certainly rther that thant the farming type method of one dog, fe !!!!!es in whelp over and over and over..then retention of a fmale pup and....repeat: it will end in tears.

but then, I'm a bit of a scary type, who would like to see registration for partbreds and outcrosses, so that health nd longevity could be measured, breed type retained withn a larger group concerned with health, welfare and....licencing!:o

We have liciencing here in NI - a fiver atm - pays for nothing other then the wardens and pounds.

Now its going up to £50 in the new year

Guess what - less people will licence and the pounds will be over run and dogs will be getting destroyed left right and centre less we can get them into rescues on the mainland

Kim-DogsBlog

foreign_correspondent wrote: »

Just looked at dogsblog - how pretty is this staffie x - I know she ia a cross and not blue, so not what the OP is looking for, so this is a bit off topic, but what a lovely dog - and only a pup at 6-8 months too
http://www.dogsblog.com/polly-11/

She's gorgeous - I would estimate that out of the dogs we receive for DogsBlog from councils who are trying to rehome strays, over 95% are bullbreeds, mostly staffies/staffy crosses.

Bruce is a gorgeous pup aswell

http://www.dogsblog.com/bruce-11/

foreign_correspondent

Bruce is a beauty too - lovely pup - my mum has recently fallen in love with a staffie we looked after - (she has now gone back to her owner) - last night I called in and found she was looking at staffies in the local pound on the net.. I have a feeling it is only a matter of time...

Frugalista

UKTigerlily wrote: »

It infuriates me that anyone who cares about Staffs would go to a damn breeder when there's thousands in rescue !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And it infuriates me that people like you seem to think you can force your point of view on others. So you rescued one, single "Staffie" - good for you :rolleyes:. Personally, if I was wanting a Staffie I would source one from a reputable breeder - ITS CALLED CHOICE!!

I have worked in rescue myself and know how difficult it is but if I prefer to get an animal where I know that it has come from tempermentally sound, healthy, tested stock, fits the breed standard, has been well-reared, has all it's paperwork, etc, etc, then that is up to me. How dare you imply that you are somehow more caring and morally superior just because you chose to take pot-luck with a rescue :mad:

foreign_correspondent wrote: »

Personally, I dont think we need any more breeders of staffies at the current time...

Yeah! And I don't think our already overburdened planet needs more kids ! And I don't think people should buy imported veg but should support our local suppliers :rolleyes:. And I don't think .... blah! blah! blah! etc, etc, etc ... You are entitled to your opinion - but so are other people entitled to theirs and to make their own choices.

I know that there are thousands of fantastic dogs in rescue through no fault of their own, but not everyone wants a rescue and you need to accept that. I have regularly done fund raising for my own breed rescue, helped transport dogs, done home checks, etc. However, my preference is to purchase from a reputable breeder - after all, I will be sharing my life with this dog for the next 15 or so years . Each to his own, eh!

Back on topic, OP, you say you want a show quality blue Staffie. Are you planning to show then? If so, maybe you should visit some Championship shows to get a look at the type of dog you are after, and get to know some breeders first. That way you could always get your name on a waiting list for any breedings that are likely to throw a blue. Just a thought .

UKTigerlily

Frugalista wrote: »

And it infuriates me that people like you seem to think you can force your point of view on others. So you rescued one, single "Staffie" - good for you :rolleyes:. Personally, if I was wanting a Staffie I would source one from a reputable breeder - ITS CALLED CHOICE!!

I have worked in rescue myself and know how difficult it is but if I prefer to get an animal where I know that it has come from tempermentally sound, healthy, tested stock, fits the breed standard, has been well-reared, has all it's paperwork, etc, etc, then that is up to me. How dare you imply that you are somehow more caring and morally superior just because you chose to take pot-luck with a rescue :mad:



Yeah! And I don't think our already overburdened planet needs more kids ! And I don't think people should buy imported veg but should support our local suppliers :rolleyes:. And I don't think .... blah! blah! blah! etc, etc, etc ... You are entitled to your opinion - but so are other people entitled to theirs and to make their own choices.

I know that there are thousands of fantastic dogs in rescue through no fault of their own, but not everyone wants a rescue and you need to accept that. I have regularly done fund raising for my own breed rescue, helped transport dogs, done home checks, etc. However, my preference is to purchase from a reputable breeder - after all, I will be sharing my life with this dog for the next 15 or so years . Each to his own, eh!

Back on topic, OP, you say you want a show quality blue Staffie. Are you planning to show then? If so, maybe you should visit some Championship shows to get a look at the type of dog you are after, and get to know some breeders first. That way you could always get your name on a waiting list for any breedings that are likely to throw a blue. Just a thought .

Aren't we all 'forcing' our point of view on others, by giving our own opinions & saying what our feelings are, others reading the thread will be 'forced', or as forced as you can get by choosing to read a post. So I happen to believe anyone caring about the breed wouldn't go to a breeder right now, so what? I don't have a go at those who do, yes it infuriates me but I don't single out people & go off on them like you do.

And if someone did care that much about the breed, why would they go to a breeder? Their home could help one of the rescue ones (And FYI I haven't just rescued one Staffy). Of course, if you want to show you'd maybe need papers & so on, but probably most people don't buy one to show it.

Anyway, force in my book isn't choosing to read a post on a forum. Also, everyone can state their opinions here but there's no need to get at others

foreign_correspondent

Yeah! And I don't think our already overburdened planet needs more kids ! And I don't think people should buy imported veg but should support our local suppliers :rolleyes:. And I don't think .... blah! blah! blah! etc, etc, etc ... You are entitled to your opinion - but so are other people entitled to theirs and to make their own choices.

yup, I agree, and I act accordingly.. and I am free to state my views and the reasons for them - some will agree, some won't - no one can force anyone to do anything, but we can all provide opinions which others may, or may not agree with - yours is that you would go to a reputable breeder, mine is that, whilst things are as they are, I would always look to rescue first.

Frugalista

UKTigerlily wrote: »

why would they go to a breeder?

1. CHOICE
2. Meeting the parent/s and relatives of the pup to assess temperament.
3. CHOICE
4. Making sure that the pup comes from health tested stock.
5. CHOICE
6. Being able to trace the pups ancestry for generations.
7. CHOICE
8. Getting an animal that fits the breed standard.
9. CHOICE
10. Being able to benefit from the breeders knowledge and support throughout the dogs life.

That's just a few of the reasons, I'm sure you will find others who will be able to expand further :rolleyes:. As I said - each to his own.

I find it quite disturbing on this board that as soon as someone mentions that they want to get an animal from a breeder they get hammered by the rescue brigade. Yet I've never seen a post where a person who has got a rescue is jumped on by the pro-breeders :think: Interesting, don't you think?

Frugalista

foreign_correspondent wrote: »

yup, I agree, and I act accordingly.. and I am free to state my views and the reasons for them - some will agree, some won't - no one can force anyone to do anything, but we can all provide opinions which others may, or may not agree with - yours is that you would go to a reputable breeder, mine is that, whilst things are as they are, I would always look to rescue first.

Fair comment. So we will continue to agree to disagree (can't find a shakes hands smiley)

mrcol1000

Frugalista wrote: »

1. CHOICE
2. Meeting the parent/s and relatives of the pup to assess temperament.
3. CHOICE
4. Making sure that the pup comes from health tested stock.
5. CHOICE
6. Being able to trace the pups ancestry for generations.
7. CHOICE
8. Getting an animal that fits the breed standard.
9. CHOICE
10. Being able to benefit from the breeders knowledge and support throughout the dogs life.

?

But the majority of people just want a nice pet that they can take for walks. If you need all that in connection with having a pet then good on you and no-one is stopping you going to a breeder. But the majority of people just want a pet and don't even think about rescues as they think of them as a line of cages with unwanted dogs on death row. They do not even realise that they can get young dogs or even puppies. Good on people for recommending they try rescues if they just want a pet. If all the above worries you then I doubt anyone posting on an internet forum about rescue dogs is really going to make much difference. I really don't care about the above. All I know that my dog is a lovely little dog and when I get home tonight she will make a fuss of me to say hello and then wait by the door ready to go out.

MrsE_2

Frugalista wrote: »

And it infuriates me that people like you seem to think you can force your point of view on others. So you rescued one, single "Staffie" - good for you :rolleyes:. Personally, if I was wanting a Staffie I would source one from a reputable breeder - ITS CALLED CHOICE!!

I have worked in rescue myself and know how difficult it is but if I prefer to get an animal where I know that it has come from tempermentally sound, healthy, tested stock, fits the breed standard, has been well-reared, has all it's paperwork, etc, etc, then that is up to me. How dare you imply that you are somehow more caring and morally superior just because you chose to take pot-luck with a rescue :mad:.

Gotta agree, there is a valid place for good pet breeders.
I'm a fan of pedigree cats (Persians & Exotics).
I prefer to go to a good breeder & buy the perfect pet for our home & family - one without "baggage".

I have helped the cats protection in the past as a volunteer & I think its fab of people to offer rescues a home, but its not for everyone.