Out of interest question

shell_542

DUTR wrote: »

Not sure why you assume a NRP requesting a test is stupid, there was a recent long thread here where had the test been requested long ago then there would have been a lot of saved heartache.
And it would not be the 1st time this has occured either.

DUTR I don't know if there are some crossed wires here but DX was saying to dispute paternity TWICE would be stupid When a test had already been done because the results will be the same twice and the NRP will have to pay twice!

I agree with you wholeheartedly though. This happened to us. My hubby had to go down the whole DNA test route. He was confirmed as the father but the PWCs partner at the time took the test first and it was negative. It was awful for him.

DUTR

shell_542 wrote: »

I'm confused.

Sorry DUTR, can you explain what you mean? :rotfl:

The chain of events would be ...

PWC contacts CSA.

CSA contact NRP and presumes parentage.

NRP tells CSA he is disputing parentage.

CSA tell PWC.

PWC sends copy of DNA test done however long ago confirming NRPs parentage.

CSA start claim.

The NRP has a right to dispute parentage again but he wont get far because his parentage has already been proved in the past.

However the new case is treated as a new case, not linked to the old case (otherwise it's not a new case is it )
The PWC CANNOT refuse to undergo the new test (well they can but the case is then closed).

Oddly earlier someone said under going a DNA test is humiliating :eek: why should that be? >Especially as the PWC should know what the result should be and from another thread , these stigma's no longer exist in society or certainly don't matter.

DUTR

shell_542 wrote: »

DUTR I don't know if there are some crossed wires here but DX was saying to dispute paternity TWICE would be stupid When a test had already been done because the results will be the same twice and the NRP will have to pay twice!

I agree with you wholeheartedly though. This happened to us. My hubby had to go down the whole DNA test route. He was confirmed as the father but the PWCs partner at the time took the test first and it was negative. It was awful for him.

I think where the wires are crossed is in the wording, disputing paternity is not the same as unassumed paternity even though the end results are the same, just like they changed to NRP from absent father

shell_542

DUTR wrote: »

However the new case is treated as a new case, not linked to the old case (otherwise it's not a new case is it )
The PWC CANNOT refuse to undergo the new test (well they can but the case is then closed).

LOL

It is a new case. The DNA test results are not only relevent with regards the first CSA case. The DNA results are relevent forever. For the rest of the child's life to prove his/her's parentage.

Sooo ... when the new case is opened, it doesn't change the fact that the parentage has ALREADY been confirmed. This time, the NRP can dispute paternity again and want it to be proved (by taking another test in his opinion) and the PWC can skip all of those steps and just present the results of the DNA test already done.

It would be absolutely ridiculous and a complete waste of time and energy to do a second DNA test through a company. The results wont change. (As long as the test is reliable and not one which doesn't stand up in court)

shell_542

DUTR wrote: »

I think where the wires are crossed is in the wording, disputing paternity is not the same as unassumed paternity even though the end results are the same, just like they changed to NRP from absent father

And now you are just confusing the hell out of me

I thought DX's post was quite clear.

Having 2 DNA tests done to prove parentage of one father and child would be silly

DX2

DUTR wrote: »

Not sure why you assume a NRP requesting a test is stupid, there was a recent long thread here where had the test been requested long ago then there would have been a lot of saved heartache.
And it would not be the 1st time this has occured either.

You're looking for an argument that isn't there!
You are asking for a DNA test that has already been done that's what I said was stupid. Never did I say a NRP if they had doubts shouldn't ask for a DNA test.

Also the hypothetical question you have asked I have been there done that. Never was a second DNA test required.

DUTR

DX2 wrote: »

You're looking for an argument that isn't there!
You are asking for a DNA test that has already been done that's what I said was stupid. Never did I say a NRP if they had doubts shouldn't ask for a DNA test.

Also the hypothetical question you have asked I have been there done that. Never was a second DNA test required.

I'm not looking for any argument, whether we agree or not, for every new case and there is no assumed parentage, then a dna test can be requested (does not mean it has to, your ex may have just been compliant next time around), it doesn't matter if one was done years before, as that does not fall under the current assumption of paternity. I'm already on csa2, So I doubt my case would be closed and re-opened, however if I was in that situation I would more than likely request a new case not because it is needed, but because I can. It's all about having a choice and rights.

shell_542

A new DNA test can be requested but I cannot see how it would ever be granted. The results will not change. It would be a waste of time.

DX2

DUTR wrote: »

I'm not looking for any argument, whether we agree or not, for every new case and there is no assumed parentage, then a dna test can be requested (does not mean it has to, your ex may have just been compliant next time around), it doesn't matter if one was done years before, as that does not fall under the current assumption of paternity. I'm already on csa2, So I doubt my case would be closed and re-opened, however if I was in that situation I would more than likely request a new case not because it is needed, but because I can. It's all about having a choice and rights.

Okay I must admit your whole thread is rather strange. So a NRP knows they are the parent to a child but for the sake of rights and choice you can request a new DNA test to prove what you already know what a waste of time, money and energy. It's best if you were to pick your fights with the csa a little more cautiously. Let's be honest here another DNA isn't just a few quid they are hundreds, why would you waste money like this.

Loopy_Girl

The NRP can deny paternity and request a DNA test - that is his right, of course it is.

However, as soon as documentation is produced to prove paternity (and given to the NRP as proof should he have 'forgotton') then no DNA test would take place.

Quite why a NRP would be willing to pay for a second DNA test when it is clearly a fruitless and expensive exercise is beyond me...