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Tory cuts could be mighty unpleasant
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The UK's mainstream media would be proud of you and your opinions.
I'm not in my office all that much, but it doesn't mean I'm not working. Obviously, a significant minority of MPs were greedy, out of touch morons and it needs to be sorted. But most of them, whether you agree with their stance or not, work pretty hard for a relatively low wage.
Living in luxury? I wouldn't touch what they do with a bargepole for £60k-odd a year.
You've just contradicted yourself. You said they were greedy and then you said they were paid very poorly.
Just because you wouldn't want to do it, there are plenty who would. As long as you can talk a load of bull, the jobs perfect for you.Northern Ireland club member No 382 :j0 -
And, sadly, the investment in schools, hospitals, and waste management has been achieved through PFI (246bn and rising).
These PFI deals have locked-in costs. Unless we renege on the deals with the suppliers, we have to pay the costs of these deals. We can't slim down the services in this area.
PFI is a very poor deal for the taxpayer indeed, and interestingly it is one area every major party is likely to continue using!
Not exactly what I think of as an investment, and they have a term for as long as 30 years. Indeed Mr "open Government" Brown is so proud of these liability's they are not even on the books ! :rolleyes:
It would be nice to think Mr Cameron would change this secrecy assuming he gets in but I doubt he has the will to do so."The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts."
Bertrand Russell. British author, mathematician, & philosopher (1872 - 1970)0 -
Not exactly what I think of as an investment, and they have a term for as long as 30 years. Indeed Mr "open Government" Brown is so proud of these liability's they are not even on the books ! :rolleyes:
It would be nice to think Mr Cameron would change this secrecy assuming he gets in but I doubt he has the will to do so.
Was it not Camerons mob who introduced it ?'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
Was it not Camerons mob who introduced it ?
Yes indeed John Major to be precise and then Gordon picked up the ball and ran with it
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts."
Bertrand Russell. British author, mathematician, & philosopher (1872 - 1970)0 -
Before the expenses fuss, I checked my local MP's expenses and quite a few others using postcodes from previous addresses.Living in luxury? I wouldn't touch what they do with a bargepole for £60k-odd a year.
Although varying, there was a figure of about £140,000 in expenses that they all seemed to gravitate about.
From what we now know, I don't think they have been too badly done too. :rolleyes:
Enter your postcode here to find out yours:-
http://www.theyworkforyou.com/
This was my MP:-
http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/claire_curtis-thomas/crosby#expenses
She held the record one year apparently.0 -
Not exactly what I think of as an investment, and they have a term for as long as 30 years. Indeed Mr "open Government" Brown is so proud of these liability's they are not even on the books ! :rolleyes:
It would be nice to think Mr Cameron would change this secrecy assuming he gets in but I doubt he has the will to do so.
Again, another way in which the public and private sectors are so different. International Standards don't permit off balance sheet finance to such an extent (although there may be ways to get around it) in the private sector. Anything major has to be shown on the books.
Maybe it's time to introduce these policies for the public sector too?Northern Ireland club member No 382 :j0 -
Before the expenses fuss, I checked my local MP's expenses and quite a few others using postcodes from previous addresses.
Although varying, there was a figure of about £140,000 in expenses that they all seemed to gravitate about.
From what we now know, I don't think they have been too badly done too. :rolleyes:
Enter your postcode here to find out:-
http://www.theyworkforyou.com/
This was my MP:-
http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/claire_curtis-thomas/crosby#expenses
She held the record one year apparently.
Exactly. Many of them claim for items which are an essential for living anyway, whether MP or not.
IMO, every time Labour get's in, they destroy the country and every time the Tories get in, it ends in a scandal. Don't know what would happen if the Lib Dems got in, but we'd probably be in a country called Europe by now.Northern Ireland club member No 382 :j0 -
Money_Grabber13579 wrote: »You've just contradicted yourself. You said they were greedy and then you said they were paid very poorly.
I said that there are a significant minority who have been greedy (and immoral) in terms of their expenses. I also think that the basic MPs wage is low. These two statements are not the same thing: you can be a greedy person and still have a low wage.Money_Grabber13579 wrote: »Just because you wouldn't want to do it, there are plenty who would. As long as you can talk a load of bull, the jobs perfect for you.
I don't really work in cliches. There are obviously a lot more aspects of the job than 'talking bull'. Obviously, if you come at it from a tabloid "what do these muppets do? Swan around all day, building moats?" point of view then there is little point discussing it.
As I originally said, a significant minority of MPs have been greedy and out of touch. The rest of them do a pretty thankless role, which I imagine takes up pretty much all of their waking week for around £60k. Which isn't a lot in the grand scheme of things. They also only have job security for around 4 years at a time.
If you think it's good pay and an easy job, why don't you do it? However, I imagine that if you think you only do a few hours a week you'd be in for a shock.0 -
Err, you forgot leap yearsvivatifosi wrote: »Even if someone on minimum working wage earned every single hour of every single day they still wouldn't get close to his salary: 24 x 365 x 5.8 = £50,800, not £65,000 and he clearly didn't work anywhere near those hours. Even if he worked 70 hours a week x 52 weeks a year x £5.80 that would still only be £21,112. Where do they find these people? Hardly endears them to the working poor.
, or are they expected to waste that as a bonus day.
Honestly, I think the rise of the career politician was the deathbed for the subject being a true vocation.
The other problem we will face, the sheer turnover of new MPs in government next year will see lots of new green-faced people in the seats of power. They will rely even more on the civil service to guide them in their first steps; whilst trying to implement savage cuts.
It will be an interesting time....0 -
Yes indeed John Major to be precise and then Gordon picked up the ball and ran with it
Was Cameron not special advisor to Major and Lamont in early 90's, PFI could have been his idea
'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0
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