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Tory cuts could be mighty unpleasant

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  • StevieJ
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    Generali wrote: »
    Spending on salaries isn't investment, it's spending.

    Only spending on assets (schools, hospitals, roads for example) is investment.

    It is if the people on the salaries are helping to build schools, hospitals and roads icon7.gif
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  • Generali
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    StevieJ wrote: »
    It is if the people on the salaries are helping to build schools, hospitals and roads icon7.gif

    Perfectly true.
  • Generali
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    kabayiri wrote: »
    PFI is a very poor deal for the taxpayer indeed, and interestingly it is one area every major party is likely to continue using!

    Of course they will. The debt can be held off the nation's balance sheet.
  • StevieJ wrote: »
    It is if the people on the salaries are helping to build schools, hospitals and roads icon7.gif

    But not if they're on hugely overinflated salaries like everyone in the public sector seems to be. When I come out of university, I had a choice. I could work in the public sector or the private sector. There was a choice of jobs, which were equivalent. If I worked in the private sector, I'd be getting £13k before tax. If I worked in the public sector, I'd be getting £20k.

    There's too much waste in the public sector. I wonder is it possible to privatise our MP's and get their salaries cut a bit?
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  • StevieJ
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    But not if they're on hugely overinflated salaries like everyone in the public sector seems to be. When I come out of university, I had a choice. I could work in the public sector or the private sector. There was a choice of jobs, which were equivalent. If I worked in the private sector, I'd be getting £13k before tax. If I worked in the public sector, I'd be getting £20k.

    There's too much waste in the public sector. I wonder is it possible to privatise our MP's and get their salaries cut a bit?

    Strange, it was the opposite for me :confused:
    'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher
  • Generali
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    My experience is that salaries are compressed in the public sector - higher at the bottom end and lower at the top.
  • vivatifosi
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    edited 17 October 2009 at 11:23AM
    There's too much waste in the public sector. I wonder is it possible to privatise our MP's and get their salaries cut a bit?

    Interesting article in the Telegraph about under fire MP David Wiltshire.

    'David Wilshire, the Conservative MP who paid more than £100,000 of expenses to his own company, has complained that he works “dangerously close” to working the minimum wage....


    “I work 60 to 70 hours a week some weeks,” he said, according to various reports.
    “When you look at what I earn, it comes dangerously close to working out as the minimum wage.”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/6352944/MPs-expenses-David-Wilshire-working-dangerously-close-to-minimum-wage.html

    Even if someone on minimum working wage earned every single hour of every single day they still wouldn't get close to his salary: 24 x 365 x 5.8 = £50,800, not £65,000 and he clearly didn't work anywhere near those hours. Even if he worked 70 hours a week x 52 weeks a year x £5.80 that would still only be £21,112. Where do they find these people? Hardly endears them to the working poor.
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  • Generali wrote: »
    My experience is that salaries are compressed in the public sector - higher at the bottom end and lower at the top.

    That may explain it, I don't know!
    StevieJ wrote: »
    Strange, it was the opposite for me :confused:
    Northern Ireland club member No 382 :j
  • Money_Grabber13579
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    edited 17 October 2009 at 11:28AM
    vivatifosi wrote: »
    Interesting article in the Telegraph about under fire MP David Wiltshire.

    'David Wilshire, the Conservative MP who paid more than £100,000 of expenses to his own company, has complained that he works “dangerously close” to working the minimum wage....


    “I work 60 to 70 hours a week some weeks,” he said, according to various reports.
    “When you look at what I earn, it comes dangerously close to working out as the minimum wage.”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/6352944/MPs-expenses-David-Wilshire-working-dangerously-close-to-minimum-wage.html

    Even if someone on minimum working wage earned every single hour of every single day they still wouldn't get close to his salary: 24 x 365 x 5.8 = £50,800, not £65,000 and he clearly didn't work anywhere near those hours. Even if he worked 70 hours a week x 52 weeks a year x £5.80 that would still only be £21,112. Where do they find these people? Hardly endears them to the working poor.

    That's the problem with our MP's. They're so blinded by they're moats and !!!!!! films that they just can't see what the public really think of them. And they hardly work 60-70 hours a week either. Just go onto BBC Parliment and see how many of them are actually there at times. I've seen it where there were only 6 MP's in the chamber. Hardly a full time job, is it?

    Oh, and that's up to 70 hours a week, but only for half the year. Remember the 4 months off in the summer, 3 at Easter and Christmas, 1 at Halloween, another in the spring etc... When do they ever work?

    I don't feel I'm any better off for having a load of MP's living in luxury at our expense.
    Northern Ireland club member No 382 :j
  • Cleaver
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    That's the problem with our MP's. They're so blinded by they're moats and !!!!!! films that they just can't see what the public really think of them. And they hardly work 60-70 hours a week either. Just go onto BBC Parliment and see how many of them are actually there at times. I've seen it where there were only 6 MP's in the chamber. Hardly a full time job, is it?

    Oh, and that's up to 70 hours a week, but only for half the year. Remember the 4 months off in the summer, 3 at Easter and Christmas, 1 at Halloween, another in the spring etc... When do they ever work?

    I don't feel I'm any better off for having a load of MP's living in luxury at our expense.

    The UK's mainstream media would be proud of you and your opinions.

    I'm not in my office all that much, but it doesn't mean I'm not working. Obviously, a significant minority of MPs were greedy, out of touch morons and it needs to be sorted. But most of them, whether you agree with their stance or not, work pretty hard for a relatively low wage.

    Living in luxury? I wouldn't touch what they do with a bargepole for £60k-odd a year.
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