Tory cuts could be mighty unpleasant

StevieJ

Old_Slaphead wrote: »

Here's where I saw figures (nb NOT the Daily Mail)

http://www.nursingtimes.net/whats-new-in-nursing/nurses-pay-increases-by-42/1646288.article

You obviously didn't read the responses below the article

what !!!!!! I earn less than £ 20000 per yr basic band 5 ive been qualified 20 yrs very misleading im very disapointed in the misleading statement.The pay is insult enough without adding injury .

Old_Slaphead

StevieJ wrote: »

You obviously didn't read the responses below the article

what !!!!!! I earn less than £ 20000 per yr basic band 5 ive been qualified 20 yrs very misleading im very disapointed in the misleading statement.The pay is insult enough without adding injury .

I certainly did !!!

The figure was average not minimum

There are several pay grades and respondent was probably on one of the lowest. Many qualified nurses are earning more than £27,000pa

http://www.rcn.org.uk/support/pay_and_conditions/pay_rates_2009_-_2010

ninky_2

Old_Slaphead wrote: »

I certainly did !!!

The figure was average

There are several pay grades and respondent was probably on one of the lowest. Many qualified nurses are earning more than £27,000pa

http://www.rcn.org.uk/support/pay_and_conditions/pay_rates_2009_-_2010

no doubt a mean average so a few very high earners (specialists etc) could push up the average figure whilst the majority earn nowhere near this.

Old_Slaphead

ninky wrote: »

no doubt a mean average so a few very high earners (specialists etc) could push up the average figure whilst the majority earn nowhere near this.

I suspect that an august publication like Nursing Times would more likely understate rather than overstate for political reasons

ninky_2

Old_Slaphead wrote: »

I suspect that an august publication like Nursing Times would more likely understate rather than overstate for political reasons

i actually i know someone who used to edit on nursing times so i'd disagree with this...if it was government statistics they wouldn't quibble with them.

Old_Slaphead

ninky wrote: »

i actually i know someone who used to edit on nursing times so i'd disagree with this...if it was government statistics they wouldn't quibble with them.

I can only base my views and posting on apparently unbiased information but if it's the subject of internecine politicking then who knows ???

But it's still the best information we have - unless you know of anything better

moredeadthanalive

Cleaver wrote: »

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Degenerate wrote: »

I can assure you Cleaver is totally serious. As manager of the Gay and Lesbian Climate Change Awareness Division, I see him regularly at our monthly inter-departmental racial equality conference. I can attest to his dedicated, professional work ethic.

This thread was getting very tedious with lots of rants about left and right politics and then slagging off public workers (of which I am one). And then these posts come along and brighten my day. Thank you posters, you are both full of wit.

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danielanthony

My missus is a nurse, she has two degree's (nursing and biology) and has completed several specialist courses (ICU, Neuro).

Been qualified for 5 years and earns £23k basic.

I'm all for cutting the fat but there are some front line staff which are really taken advantage of. The job is a vocation rather than a path to riches and nurses would never strike, they are too caring, as is a pre-requisite for their jobs.

Non-jobbers working in council offices on £30k+ really p*sses me off, especially when they start complaining about salaries they could be earning in the private sector.

Cleaver

A newly qualified nurse will start in what they call a Band 5 position. The staring salary is £20,710 at present and a nurse can move up their band every year up to a maximum of £26,839. As well as simply moving up a step of the scale each year, the scale itself will probably be uplifted by 2% or 3% each year too. On top you would get additional pay for unsocial hours: earlies, lates, nights etc. Maybe 1.33 time or 1.5 time. This is the same principle for each 'band'.

However, a good nurse who has the right attitute, develops their skills and looks after patients well should move to a Band 6 position within two or three years. This pays on a scale of £24k to £33k.

Again, if you perform well in this role for two or three years and are good and ambitious, say and do the right things, you should be aiming for a Ward Managers role at Band 7. This salary scale starts at just shy of £30k and goes up to £39k.

And so it continues. A really good Ward Manager who manages staff and their budget well should be moved on quite quickly after two or three years to higher roles, looking after bigger areas: maybe two or three specialist wards, or to be a matron.

A matron role at Band 8a would be paid at £38k to £45k.

In used to work in a hospital and it wasn't uncommon to see really good, ambitious, competent and talented nurses move from being a Band 5 nurse at 21 years of age in to a Matron position, earning £45k with shift allowance by the age of 30 or even late twenties.

All depends on how you look at things, but not too bad career development in my eyes. Sorry to be harsh but any nurse who says that they have 20 years experience and is still on £20k is someone who either isn't very good at what they or has no interest whatsoever in taking on extra responsibility or developing themselves.

StevieJ

Cleaver wrote: »

All depends on how you look at things, but not too bad career development in my eyes. Sorry to be harsh but any nurse who says that they have 20 years experience and is still on £20k is someone who either isn't very good at what they or has no interest whatsoever in taking on extra responsibility or developing themselves.

Are we not talking pyramid here Are you actually saying that if every nurse was bright, motivated and did the right things :eek: they would move up the promotion ladder?