Ireland vote 'YES' on Lisbon Treaty Referendum.

Thrugelmir

leveller2911 wrote: »

I am well aware of our history Thrug,as for saying "we can no longer stand alone" ,I don't agree. Yes we are a small island nation and need to adapt ,however are you seriously suggesting allowing ourselves to be governed by people who we DON'T vote in, are NOT British and above all are corrupt as hell?........

It is the duty of us all to protect our country from the dictatorship that is the EU , for the sake of our children.They, the government of the day have NO right to give away that which is not theirs...

Those who say we couldn't survive as a nation outside of the EU are scaremongerers and nothing else.There are successful nations in Europe who are not members.

If you lose Democracy then you lose your freedom..........Fact..

Who voted Mr Brown in, Mrs Brown as well, Lord Mandleson, Sir Alan Sugar......

Times have changed.

I don't believe that the EEC is anywhere near as stable as some believe. As Ireland, Spain and Latvia require bailing out. France & Germany will be the powerhouses of the EEC. The UK in its current financial state would do well to join them.

Heyman_2

I tell you what, the whole thing sickens me. They had a referendum on it and they voted NO and that should have been it, end of.

So the EU decided to effectively buy the YES vote, this time around they threw so much money and fear-mongering behind it to effectively bludgeon a positive outcome. I mean what was the point? What a complete sham.

Then I have to read the biased rubbish on the 'impartial' BBC's website that barely makes mention of the FACTS.

The whole things corrupt and I'm sick to the back teeth of all of it.

nollag2006

If the Tories get back in (still a big if, given their innate ability to self-destruct at election time) will we see Cameron bring Surrallun into a room, point at him, and scream "You're fired!!" at close range.

That'd get my vote

adouglasmhor

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Who voted Mr Brown in, Mrs Brown as well, Lord Mandleson, Sir Alan Sugar......

Times have changed.

I don't believe that the EEC is anywhere near as stable as some believe. As Ireland, Spain and Latvia require bailing out. France & Germany will be the powerhouses of the EEC. The UK in its current financial state would do well to join them.

Brown became PM the same way as Major did. I am sure you don't need a description from me as to how representative democracy with a party system works.

kennyboy66_2

Heyman wrote: »

I tell you what, the whole thing sickens me. They had a referendum on it and they voted NO and that should have been it, end of.

So the EU decided to effectively buy the YES vote, this time around they threw so much money and fear-mongering behind it to effectively bludgeon a positive outcome. I mean what was the point? What a complete sham.

Or the alternate view is that the Irish have looked into the financial abyss and thought that they are probably better off in the EU than being out of it like, ooh lets say Iceland.

Unemployment heading towards 500,000 probably concentrates the mind wonderfully.

Heh, if Sinn Fein and the Catholic church were voting no, it would be enough for me to vote Yes.

Sir_Humphrey

Eurosceptics should remember that the UK had a referendum on Europe in 1975, yet some still can't accept that we are part of the EU.

So it is not just Pro-Europeans who try to insist on "getting the right answer".

Generali

Sir_Humphrey wrote: »

Eurosceptics should remember that the UK had a referendum on Europe in 1975, yet some still can't accept that we are part of the EU.

So it is not just Pro-Europeans who try to insist on "getting the right answer".

The 1975 referendum was a funny one as it was after the fact, which is highly unusual AFAIAA.

Personally, I'm very pro EU due to the very strong pro-trade policies it has, internally at least. I don't think very highly of the way it's run or the politicians that oversee its running.

Sir_Humphrey

Generali wrote: »

The 1975 referendum was a funny one as it was after the fact, which is highly unusual AFAIAA.

Personally, I'm very pro EU due to the very strong pro-trade policies it has, internally at least. I don't think very highly of the way it's run or the politicians that oversee its running.

I agree that economically the EU is absolutely crucial to the UK's future. I also agree that there is room for improvement, but the EU simply cannot continue to operate with national vetoes and the suchlike.

We are not a major power anymore, the UK needs to face up to that reality. We are not in a position to call the shots any more, but at least EU gives the opportunity to be a big fish in a small(ish) pond. Far better than being a pathetic, isolated little island that wishes it was America.

EDIT: People also have to remember that UK companies would need to comply with a lot of EU rules in order to trade, only outside the EU we would have no influence on how they were drawn up.

kennyboy66_2

Generali wrote: »

The 1975 referendum was a funny one as it was after the fact, which is highly unusual AFAIAA.

Personally, I'm very pro EU due to the very strong pro-trade policies it has, internally at least. I don't think very highly of the way it's run or the politicians that oversee its running.

The referendum in 1975 was whether to stay in (having joing in 1973).
Passed with a 67% yes vote, with a 65% turnout (I'd imagine it would be difficult to get past a 40% turnout now in a stand alone vote.)

The main "No" campaign was a motley crew of Tony Benn, Michael Foot, Enoch Powell, the National Front, Ian Paisley, Plaid Cymru, SNP and the Communist Party. Strange bedmates indeed.

It just baffles me why some people actually want to withdraw.

Pete111

Sir_Humphrey wrote: »

Eurosceptics should remember that the UK had a referendum on Europe in 1975, yet some still can't accept that we are part of the EU.

So it is not just Pro-Europeans who try to insist on "getting the right answer".

I wasn't around at the time but having asked around amongst people who were and voted (some 'Yes', some 'No') I am rather left with the impression that the 1975 referendum was on joining a trading block...Not a vastly over interfering social, political and cultural experiment.

All of the 'No' camp concerns that were shouted down at the time as ludicrous rabble rousing have now come to pass as well as far far more besides. You know, such as the crazy idea that a 'yes' vote would lead to a European commission creating EU law that would supercede British legislation...oh. Oh dear..

The Irish 2nd Vote is a bl**dy disgrace. It is also entirely predictible and in keeping with the whole sorry state of affairs that has been going on for decades . However it does make you wonder why they asked in the first place!