NHS pension anxieties...any thoughts?

marklv

bendix wrote: »

Anyway, this is an old debate. It will continue until marklv gets all hysterical and defensive and storms off for two days. We've seen it all before.

Up yours mate! :beer:

marklv

1jim wrote: »

I wonder how these figures are calculated, does it breakdown pay gap by staff grade or just public sector? If by sector then these figures are going to be altered by including high earners, GPs/Dentists/Managers..the average qualified staff member/professional working within the NHS will not be earning more in the public sector than they could by being employed with a private company...you would be suprised how many companies now work within the NHS umbrella but are private companies

I've said something similar to this before in various posts. Salaries are higher in the public sector simply because there are more professionals, thereby making the comparison meaningless.

1jim

bendix wrote: »

Again, give us some figures. Some statistics, rather than generalisations.

From my understanding - having spoken to a few private sector nurses for example - the wages are so low that they can't attract local resource and are hiring from Indonesia and the Philippines. Nurses salaries in the private sector are substantially lower than the NHS.

End of the story.

I am a Nurse, I earn £32,000 within the NHS
Outside of the NHS, My starting salary for the same job would be £40,000

Theprivate sector is not the only health care organisations recruiting from the countries

bumpoowee

1jim wrote: »

bumpoowee wrote: »

Have you ever tried moving jobs? What makes you so certain somebody in the private sector would want to give you a job?

Because I am highly trained and experienced, all paid for by the NHS, because there are multiple private companies moving into providing care for NHS patients, because many of my team have left to become emplyed by these organisations.

Well of course that is only your opinion of yourself which no doubt most people would share; I also had the same opinion of myself (that I was underpaid for my skills) in my last job, hence why I moved. The test is always when you actually go to interviews and see if anybody else will employ you. I just find it hard to believe that all these grossly underpaid public sector workers only 'refuse' to move jobs for altruistic reasons.

1jim

bumpoowee wrote: »

Well of course that is only your opinion of yourself which no doubt most people would share; I also had the same opinion of myself (that I was underpaid for my skills) in my last job, hence why I moved. The test is always when you actually go to interviews and see if anybody else will employ you. I just find it hard to believe that all these grossly underpaid public sector workers only 'refuse' to move jobs for altruistic reasons.

I do not think that all public sector workers are underpaid, I know that several of my colleagues have recently left to work for a couple of private companies. They are on a very nice package and the staring salary is £40.000/ there is no reason to think that I would personally not be given an interview considering that I am at least as qualified as the others and have good track record at work, no sick leave to speak of etc.
I can not speak for other peoples motives for not leaving the NHS, I can only say that I have not left because I value the NHS and its role. You can believe it or not..its not that important to me to be honest with you

roysterer

1Jim,
When you retire at aged 55 no doubt you will go and fill your boots in the Private Sector, for 2 days a week on top of your full NHS pension. I expect you will even sign on with an agency and still work privately within your beloved NHS hospital.

bumpoowee

roysterer wrote: »

1Jim,
When you retire at aged 55 no doubt you will go and fill your boots in the Private Sector, for 2 days a week on top of your full NHS pension. I expect you will even sign on with an agency and still work privately within your beloved NHS hospital.

Well this is the thing really, these people claim to work for the NHS out of love for it's principles and objectives, but you don't hear them revolting against the vast inefficiencies and ways that is !!!!es money up the wall as surely it offends their morals for a public health service to forego incurring expense by actually treating patients as instead it is wasting money on staff and benefits that are redundant and serve no purpose to the NHS.

bendix

1jim wrote: »

I am a Nurse, I earn £32,000 within the NHS
Outside of the NHS, My starting salary for the same job would be £40,000

Theprivate sector is not the only health care organisations recruiting from the countries

Well, i can assure you the nurses I know working in the private sector earn under half your claimed £40,000 a year.

So if you can get such a salary, you're an idiot not to move across.

bendix

Sigh . . I'm getting bored of this.

http://www.onrec.com/newsstories/8352.asp

This survey is from 2005. Given the trends of the last few years, one can safely assume the gaps have been exacerbated.

And yet still we hear the same old tired cliches about poorly paid public sector employees.

Let's call a spade a spade. If you are relatively unskilled, not in the top end of management, and not have a specialist skill such as being a doctor, you earn considerably more in the public sector than the private.

Dr_Wu

roysterer wrote: »

The public sector gravy train is approaching the station.
Dr wu you are one of the lucky ones. Your post just about makes the majority of decent hard working tax paying people sick. Uproar if they stop these kind of pensions for future?
Dont make me laugh.

Which part of my post is likely to make "the majority of decent hard working tax paying people sick" exactly?

Apologies of course if I've inadvertantly had such an emetic effect on a group of people whom I of course number myself among.