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Is EMA Fair???
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It is and thats one of the reasons I'm so peed off that it looks like my son won't get a place there in 3 years time, as they have changed the catchment area due to a new school building (and lied through their teeth to all the parents from this area when asking for permission to sell the old school land, they guaranteed that our children would still have a place in the new school.....but that's a whole other issue)Oldernotwiser wrote: »It sounds like an excellent school.
By the way, I'm surprised by your :eek: - 8 days off in 5 weeks is an enormous amount of time to have missed, over 30%!
I totally agree with you the :eek: was at the amount of time she had off, not that she got kicked out.0 -
I'm getting the full £30/week EMA, and recently I've also got a part time job on saturdays which nets me £35. Sure I don't -need- the EMA, but this way I'm saving a decent amount each month so if I decide to go to university, I've got a nice bit saved towards it. But I don't really see the point of this thread, people who don't/didn't get it aren't happy with it, whereas the people who do/did get it are happy with it. Anyone who gets offered £30 a week for doing what they're already doing would, I'm sure, happily take it.0
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Oldernotwiser wrote: »It sounds like an excellent school.
By the way, I'm surprised by your :eek: - 8 days off in 5 weeks is an enormous amount of time to have missed, over 30%!
We are assuming though that the student was not sick or had other extenuating circumstances and that they checked it out.0 -
I don't agree with it. I think it is unfair on those people who don't get it. It isn't their fault their parents earn X amount. It is highly demotivating for those individuals. Me, being one of them at one point in my life. You either give everyone it or nobody it. It's shocking to have to motivate people to get an education using money. I think the excuse of saying they would go out and get a job if they didnt is alotta nonsense. Since when would £30 a week and working FT equate?
My next rant isnt to do with EMA's but the scottish bursaries. I get nothing. Im from a hard working family, who have worked themselves up the ranks, yet feel they get punished for doing so. I have to spend £130 on text books each semester. Not cheap. Yet, my mate gets £90 a month due to his families income. What strikes me as unfair is that, his mother doesnt work, as its not in their nature to let their mothers work. When if she did, they wouldnt get as much money from the bursary.
Especially for uni's in scotland. They should either give everyone the same amount in a bursary or nothing. I think with the loans they do, they should give everyone the option for one at the same level as each other. Thus, making it not feel like people are being left out.0 -
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I don't agree with it. I think it is unfair on those people who don't get it. It isn't their fault their parents earn X amount. It is highly demotivating for those individuals. Me, being one of them at one point in my life. You either give everyone it or nobody it. It's shocking to have to motivate people to get an education using money. I think the excuse of saying they would go out and get a job if they didnt is alotta nonsense. Since when would £30 a week and working FT equate?
My next rant isnt to do with EMA's but the scottish bursaries. I get nothing. Im from a hard working family, who have worked themselves up the ranks, yet feel they get punished for doing so. I have to spend £130 on text books each semester. Not cheap. Yet, my mate gets £90 a month due to his families income. What strikes me as unfair is that, his mother doesnt work, as its not in their nature to let their mothers work. When if she did, they wouldnt get as much money from the bursary.
Especially for uni's in scotland. They should either give everyone the same amount in a bursary or nothing. I think with the loans they do, they should give everyone the option for one at the same level as each other. Thus, making it not feel like people are being left out.
The people who the government are trying to motivate to be in college wouldn't be doing this as opposed to getting a job; they'd be hanging round on street corners wasting their lives. The fact that you would think that people are being encouraged to remain in education rather than getting a full time job shows how little you understand the situation.
Most people would think it more important to give people help appropriate to their needs rather than worry about people from well off homes being made to feel "left out". Your parents may have worked hard to improve their lot but it sounds as if they're now comfortably off. The fact that they don't help you to fund your books is a reason to be annoyed with them, not with the government who give money to students whose parents cannot, as opposed to will nothelp their children to receive an education.0 -
I don't agree with it. I think it is unfair on those people who don't get it. It isn't their fault their parents earn X amount. It is highly demotivating for those individuals. Me, being one of them at one point in my life. You either give everyone it or nobody it. It's shocking to have to motivate people to get an education using money. I think the excuse of saying they would go out and get a job if they didnt is alotta nonsense. Since when would £30 a week and working FT equate?
My next rant isnt to do with EMA's but the scottish bursaries. I get nothing. Im from a hard working family, who have worked themselves up the ranks, yet feel they get punished for doing so. I have to spend £130 on text books each semester. Not cheap. Yet, my mate gets £90 a month due to his families income. What strikes me as unfair is that, his mother doesnt work, as its not in their nature to let their mothers work. When if she did, they wouldnt get as much money from the bursary.
Especially for uni's in scotland. They should either give everyone the same amount in a bursary or nothing. I think with the loans they do, they should give everyone the option for one at the same level as each other. Thus, making it not feel like people are being left out.
It's not so shocking for those of us with an understanding of the mind set of those students who need the motivating.
Are you suggesting your family has not benefited in many ways from working their way up the ranks? You and they may feel hard done by in this way, but there is numerous advantages to having a higher socio-economic status.
The students from lower income families probably feel they have been 'left out' throughout their lives! And many have hard working parents too! Believe it or not, people work hard for the minimum wage and often have less annual leave and less likelihood of other benefits such as sick pay! Don't fall into the trap of thinking they are all sat on their butts doing nothing all day!
As for HE, I cannot understand how it can be appropriate to offer funding to children from families who are able to help out their children in all sorts of ways.
Yes, if there was a bottomless pit of money, but there is not. The line has to be drawn somewhere and income has to be the primary factor.
You would still go to college and uni if nobody received funding but many of those who receive this money would not. Your parents would find the money but many could not.
You may feel hard done by but that doesn't make it ok to restrict HE to those who can afford it!0 -
Oldernotwiser wrote: »The people who the government are trying to motivate to be in college wouldn't be doing this as opposed to getting a job; they'd be hanging round on street corners wasting their lives. The fact that you would think that people are being encouraged to remain in education rather than getting a full time job shows how little you understand the situation.
Most people would think it more important to give people help appropriate to their needs rather than worry about people from well off homes being made to feel "left out". Your parents may have worked hard to improve their lot but it sounds as if they're now comfortably off. The fact that they don't help you to fund your books is a reason to be annoyed with them, not with the government who give money to students whose parents cannot, as opposed to will nothelp their children to receive an education.
You put it so much better than I did!0 -
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they did check it out, another thing thats really fantastic about the school is that they have very close home/school communication. Parents can email any member of staff via the school website and get a personal reply from them within 24 hours. Parents can see progression reports and targets any time they want. Teachers are very willing to talk to parents directly over the phone or in person.patchwork_cat wrote: »We are assuming though that the student was not sick or had other extenuating circumstances and that they checked it out.
The school does have a very strict code of conduct, they do listen take into account personal/family problems and are fantastically supportive if your family has a genuine problem. They have NO time for time wasters though
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