Discrimination/Non-discrimination

anyfreebies

If a company offers a substantially different salary between a male and female doing the same job who both have the same level of skills then they're breaking the law. The same applies for age.

However, what if a company offers someone of almost the same age and gender and level of skills 50% more pay than someone else and the same person gets 18% less pay in a graduate level job than someone of the opposite sex in an admin entry level role?

bee78

i am not so sure i get you at all.try being a bit specific.

anyfreebies

Person A highly skilled graduate gets £x pay. Person B equally highly skilled graduate doing the same job gets £x+50% pay. Both person A and B are the similar ages and the same gender.

Person C is opposite sex and in an entry-level admin position and earns £x+18%

(£x is used to represent a sum of money.)

Is the company breaking any legal requirements by doing this?

iamana1ias

anyfreebies wrote: »

If a company offers a substantially different salary between a male and female doing the same job who both have the same level of skills then they're breaking the law. The same applies for age.

However, what if a company offers someone of almost the same age and gender and level of skills 50% more pay than someone else and the same person gets 18% less pay in a graduate level job than someone of the opposite sex in an admin entry level role?

The company can pay what it likes. If there is no gender/age difference then it's not discriminatory to pay one person more - they obviously have better negotiating skills

pinkshoes

As person C's job is very different to yours, then I'm not sure you can compare the two. A degree doesn't entitle you to a high salary.

Do person A and person B have equal work experience in the field.

dmg24

anyfreebies wrote: »

If a company offers a substantially different salary between a male and female doing the same job who both have the same level of skills then they're breaking the law. The same applies for age.

This is not necessarily the case. As has been noted, anybody can negotiate a higher salary.

Proc

All this whining about equality. The only thing I've learned is that as long as women (or men for that matter) choose to accept a lower level of pay - they're going to keep getting it.

If you want a pay rise because you feel you deserve it, speak to your boss. Justify your reasons. Using the "oh but he does the same job and gets paid more" isn't really a justification. If you're not happy with your pay, don't accept it. Obviously, it makes sense for companies to pay as little as they can to keep people happy. If a man chose to negotiate a higher salary - then fair play to him.

In the real world, no two jobs are exactly the same.

Also, in this day and age, a degree doesn't mean an awful lot in most places. Welcome to reality.

anyfreebies

Person A has the same amount of experience as Person B, but Person A was unemployed when they were offered the job, person B was in employment.

I agree a degree doesn't entitle you to a high salary, but person A's job does require a degree level education to be able to do the job and when they offer a job to person C requiring no formal qualifications and on the job training a bigger starting salary it isn't really in order.

iamana1ias

anyfreebies wrote: »

Person A has the same amount of experience as Person B, but Person A was unemployed when they were offered the job, person B was in employment.

I agree a degree doesn't entitle you to a high salary, but person A's job does require a degree level education to be able to do the job and when they offer a job to person C requiring no formal qualifications and on the job training a bigger starting salary it isn't really in order.

I'm afraid the law does not agree (for goid reason)

you'll have to like it or lump it

DVardysShadow

anyfreebies wrote: »

Person A has the same amount of experience as Person B, but Person A was unemployed when they were offered the job, person B was in employment.

I agree a degree doesn't entitle you to a high salary, but person A's job does require a degree level education to be able to do the job and when they offer a job to person C requiring no formal qualifications and on the job training a bigger starting salary it isn't really in order.

Yes, it is not really in order. A has been exploited for being unemployed. These things have a way of sorting themselves out. After a period in the job, A will have proved him/herself and will be worth the same as B to any employer. If the current employer is slow on the uptake and continues to value A as someone who is recently unemployed, then A should test his/her value in the market and move if they are currently undervalued. Shouldn't bother asking current employer to match an offer either.

DKLS

I advertise 2 roles at a salary range of 32-40K
Person A) Negotiates and justifies a higher salary starts at 38k
Person Makes no effort to negotiate starts at 32K

Has sod all to with gender, its all down to the individual.

I have worked in places where there had been up to 15K difference in salary for two people doing the same job, that was why discussing salary was a sackable offence.

If an employee comes to me and asks for a pay rise based on them for e.g taking on additional responsibility, making efficiencies or bringing in extra work, there is a high chance of them receiving a pay rise, if someone comes along sayings "not fair so and so earns more than me" they wont get a penny or receive a paltry £50 a month extra at review time and hope they get the message.