Tax hikes

chucknorris

Tax has to be gained from a wide variety of sources, so far I have heard ideas muted about higher tution fees and reductions of grants imposed on students, higher VAT, increased income tax, a new type of council tax top up for houses very high in value and and an equivelent tax to stamp duty for those that rent that would be charged at the start of each new tenancy.

bendix

lemonjelly wrote: »

Yes. And also in the real world, the ever so responsible private sector have had far higher wage increases and bonuses. But hey, you dan't give a stuff about that do you, so long as the private sector are ok.

Could I suggest you put your Daily Mail away for a minute and realise that much publicised merchant bank deals represent about 0.0001% of the private sector and have nothing to do with commercial realities.


I work for a city law firm. Salaries have been frozen this year, and no bonuses were paid. THAT is the real reality of the private sector.

By the way, according to the Office of National Statistics, average private sector salaries are around £70 a week lower than average public sector salaries, so let's put that myth to bed once and for all, shall we?

lemonjelly

bendix wrote: »

Could I suggest you put your Daily Mail away for a minute and realise that much publicised merchant bank deals represent about 0.0001% of the private sector and have nothing to do with commercial realities.


I work for a city law firm. Salaries have been frozen this year, and no bonuses were paid. THAT is the real reality of the private sector.

By the way, according to the Office of National Statistics, average private sector salaries are around £70 a week lower than average public sector salaries, so let's put that myth to bed once and for all, shall we?

I do not read the daily mail. Make a similar allegation & I may be tempted to hit the abuse button.;)

Graham_Devon

bendix wrote: »

By the way, according to the Office of National Statistics, average private sector salaries are around £70 a week lower than average public sector salaries, so let's put that myth to bed once and for all, shall we?

That "myth" you refer to is a myth itself.

The reason for this is that most of the lower paid people in the public sector are on the private sector books.

They are then contracted in by the public sector to carry out tasks, such as cleaning.

Therefore, the cleaners in hospitals etc etc etc (to use just one example) are getting paid private sector salaries to work in the public sector.

Therefore, the public sector wage average is not bought down by paying the lower end salaries, so the average goes up.

Therefore, what you have said is in no way conclusive evidence the public sector is paid more.

lostinrates

Rochdale_Pioneers wrote: »

Fundamentally though there are too many selfish cretins in this country who can only see past the end of their nose when it is to criticise the state of the nation's infrastructure/standing/well-being. The fact that their refusal to pay taxes to pay for any of these things seems to pass them by. Allow people a full choice on tax and they'd probably vote to not pay it - then complain that the country has gone to the dogs.

I don't necessarily disagrre, but I also think there are a fair few selfish cretins in this country who can only see past the end of there nose when it is to see what they can get for nothing/very little. The fact that much of what they receive is due to those who do not refuse to pay taxes passes them by, and this type of cretin adds fuel to the anger and selfishness of the former type of cretin.

I think more people from all walks in life are selfish than strong proponants of the politcal ''extremes'' (which I accpet in this country is more like a strong cup iof tea than a straight whiskey type of extreme in most cases) than any will admit.

Old_Slaphead

Graham_Devon wrote: »

That "myth" you refer to is a myth itself.

The reason for this is that most of the lower paid people in the public sector are on the private sector books.
They are then contracted in by the public sector to carry out tasks, such as cleaning.
Therefore, the cleaners in hospitals etc etc etc (to use just one example) are getting paid private sector salaries to work in the public sector.
Therefore, the public sector wage average is not bought down by paying the lower end salaries, so the average goes up.
Therefore, what you have said is in no way conclusive evidence the public sector is paid more.

There is no way of comparing public vs private pay other than by using averages. Whatever the outcome there is no denying that "investment" in public services has done extremely well under Labour and most areas can no longer be considered low paid (as opposed to the private sector where there are many low paid jobs).

Your explanation ie movement of lower grade jobs only supports the premise that the private sector is now inferior in almost all aspects of remuneration/conditions of employment.

I think you will agree that a continuing high expenditure in the public sector is wholly dependant upon a buoyant and growing private sector - clearly that is not happening and will not continue to do so (IMO) to any great degree for the next few years at least.

Public sector expenditure, particularly wages and pensions, now needs to be sharply cut back to enable more investment to be channelled into job growth in the private sector to reduce welfare costs and create consumer demand and tax revenues for the future.