Bears In Despair part 2......

StevieJ

Yakubu22 wrote: »

Isn't everybody foreign to people from Devon?

Feed the Yak as my friends young son likes to say

ruggedtoast

ps. you've missed nothing. same old board - arguing just for the sake of arguing

I dispute that.

carolt

I've always been quite open on my opinions on BTL, chucky - though it's BTL I dislike rather than individual BTletters - some of whom ended up as such by accident, are excellent landlords etc.

I dislike the system that is weighted against good tenants (and in favour of bad tenants, which causes no end of unnecessary friction between landlords and tenants).

I feel quite offended to have been described by pickles as an example of someone who wishes ill on owner occupiers - nothing could be further from the truth.

As someone who nearly bought in recent years, I have lots of sympathy for people in that situation. Repossession is not something I would wish on anyone, any more than I would wish unemployment or something on someone. I'd challenge pickles to find any post of mine EVER that in any way expresses the sentiments he claims for me, if I could be bothered.

I know he'd never find a post like that, because I would never dream of writing one.

Nasty little man.

Thrugelmir

julieq wrote: »

Historical trend projected based on conservative assumptions on economic growth, housing supply and demand and general inflation.

If you don't believe house prices will have risen relative to the absolute value at the "peak" then you need to find a wholesale tinfoil supplier.

Historical trends need to be analysed. As underlying them are root causes which create events. Inflation will always create new peaks thats indisputable.

IveSeenTheLight

carolt wrote: »

I dislike the system that is weighted against good tenants (and in favour of bad tenants, which causes no end of unnecessary friction between landlords and tenants).

I don't understand what you find wrong with the system.
As you know I am a BTL LL and maybe I'm fortunate I have had relatively good tenants or the checking criteria is working so far
.
As a LL though, I appreciate the good tenants and try to keep them happy (hopefully making me a good LL) throughout their tenancy.

I don;t understand how the system weights it against these good tenants and favours the bad ones.

If I ever have a bad tenant, you can be sure I would be using the system to their dissadvantage and replace them with another good one.

Yakubu22

StevieJ wrote: »

Feed the Yak as my friends young son likes to say

"....and he will score!"..... your friends son knows his stuff :beer:

carolt

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

I don't understand what you find wrong with the system.
As you know I am a BTL LL and maybe I'm fortunate I have had relatively good tenants or the checking criteria is working so far
.
As a LL though, I appreciate the good tenants and try to keep them happy (hopefully making me a good LL) throughout their tenancy.

I don;t understand how the system weights it against these good tenants and favours the bad ones.

If I ever have a bad tenant, you can be sure I would be using the system to their dissadvantage and replace them with another good one.

To summarise a complex situation, I think good tenants in the UK are hampered by insecure tenancies, and limited rights to use the property fully as a home - by which I mean things like decorating to taste, having pets, etc, as would be normal in other European countries, for example (or, I believe, the States, though I may be wrong there). Also, rental rates can rise hugely at will - obviously a sensible landlord won't put up the rent of a reliable tenant, but a desperate/stupid landlord currently can, at will.

This contrasts with the situation where a lousy tenant who never pays a penny in rent, can take months to evict from a rental property. Whereas a good tenant - who wants to abide by the rules - can be removed from their home with just 2 months notice.

To my mind, there should be much greater protection in law for those who do pay their rent, and much less protection in law for those who don't.

IveSeenTheLight

carolt wrote: »

To summarise a complex situation, I think good tenants in the UK are hampered by insecure tenancies, and limited rights to use the property fully as a home - by which I mean things like decorating to taste, having pets, etc, as would be normal in other European countries, for example (or, I believe, the States, though I may be wrong there). Also, rental rates can rise hugely at will - obviously a sensible landlord won't put up the rent of a reliable tenant, but a desperate/stupid landlord currently can, at will.

This contrasts with the situation where a lousy tenant who never pays a penny in rent, can take months to evict from a rental property. Whereas a good tenant - who wants to abide by the rules - can be removed from their home with just 2 months notice.

To my mind, there should be much greater protection in law for those who do pay their rent, and much less protection in law for those who don't.

Ok, I understand your take on it, but clearly it is the same system and it is how the tenants (good or bad) play it.

Agree whole heartedly with your last sentence

ruggedtoast

The problem with renting in the UK (and Ive lived in other countries) is that it is always made very clear to you - in all sorts of ways - that you are in temporary accommodation that belongs to someone else.

As far as tenants rights go you pretty much have the right to pay your rent and live in the property until the next rental period.

For good tenants this means you never really feel like you have any security and feel a lot of pressure to leave and buy somewhere. Ironically this is the problem that good landlords have - no matter how well they do their job their tenants probably dont want to stay.

On the other hand bad tenants feel no real reason to treat the place they live in well, and nothing will happen to make it feel like home so they wont grow to be good ones.

JonnyBravo

carolt wrote: »

To summarise a complex situation, I think good tenants in the UK are hampered by insecure tenancies, and limited rights to use the property fully as a home - by which I mean things like decorating to taste, having pets, etc, as would be normal in other European countries, for example (or, I believe, the States, though I may be wrong there). Also, rental rates can rise hugely at will - obviously a sensible landlord won't put up the rent of a reliable tenant, but a desperate/stupid landlord currently can, at will.

This contrasts with the situation where a lousy tenant who never pays a penny in rent, can take months to evict from a rental property. Whereas a good tenant - who wants to abide by the rules - can be removed from their home with just 2 months notice.

To my mind, there should be much greater protection in law for those who do pay their rent, and much less protection in law for those who don't.

Yep but not all landlords do this.

I've let my long term tenant redecorate. Granted I might not have allowed her in the first few months but shes been there nearly 4 years now. (Yes I did want to check the colours as it may have to appeal to others after her).

Agree with what you say about notice periods etc.