i have posted this on reply to other thread but please read

mrsnem

ive just notcied this thread and im myself in the same position...im a very angry mum right now my hubby just recieved his reviewed claim from his ex wife they have only taken into account the money i get for my children note chiildren that are not my hubbys but my ex they have taken into consideration my child tax credits as when he was on the phone to them last night they asked him if we got child tax credits he said yes and gave them the amounts today we found out that the usual 75 a month he paid has now gone up to ...yes belive this 288 a month so basically 71 pound a week money that my children now loose they toldhim to say if he did cos they could find out anyway from inland revenue

i found out also today ..VERY IMPORTANT PLEASE TAKE NOTE that a very close freind of mine who nos the system inside out and has dealings with them ... apparently the women he spoke to on csa had basically lied and said we can find out apparently... they cannot they can however find out if your hubbys get tax credits if it is in there name only misleading isnt it

if you are a current partner/wife of your bloke they cannot actually find out information via the inland revenue if it is in your name so if your new hubby is being asked on the phone if tax credits are being received for previous children and it is in your name say no they cannot by law find out any different if we had knowin this before he would not have so willingly surrended the information as a result now we are skint he cannot afford to go see his kids we did phone his ex aking if shed cancel the claim and we owuld pay 150 a month of course she said no hes so upset im upset to

DO NOT SURRENDER INFO its as simple as that both me and my friend have been caught the same way later she rang up and asked the info line thing and it it truex

LizzieS_2

The above is bad advice.

If you are are couple, you have to claim tax credits as a couple. The only way you could keep your husbands name off tax credits is to fraudently claim you are a single parent - that obviously can have repercussions from more than the csa!

The csa do have direct access to tax credit payments - maybe not every staff member, but some certainly do.

kelloggs36

That is correct Lizzie they DO have access. The rules state that all Child Tax Credits must be the income of the NRP even if the children aren't theirs - the money forms part of the household income into which the NRP lives. Bear in mind though that your hubby also gets money TAKEN OFF the amount he has to pay because he lives in the same household as YOUR children - children for whom he has no responsibility - but his own children would get less because of that. They virtually cancel each other out.

kelloggs36

mrsnem wrote: »

ive just notcied this thread and im myself in the same position...im a very angry mum right now my hubby just recieved his reviewed claim from his ex wife they have only taken into account the money i get for my children note chiildren that are not my hubbys but my ex they have taken into consideration my child tax credits as when he was on the phone to them last night they asked him if we got child tax credits he said yes and gave them the amounts today we found out that the usual 75 a month he paid has now gone up to ...yes belive this 288 a month so basically 71 pound a week money that my children now loose they toldhim to say if he did cos they could find out anyway from inland revenue

i found out also today ..VERY IMPORTANT PLEASE TAKE NOTE that a very close freind of mine who nos the system inside out and has dealings with them ... apparently the women he spoke to on csa had basically lied and said we can find out apparently... they cannot they can however find out if your hubbys get tax credits if it is in there name only misleading isnt it

if you are a current partner/wife of your bloke they cannot actually find out information via the inland revenue if it is in your name so if your new hubby is being asked on the phone if tax credits are being received for previous children and it is in your name say no they cannot by law find out any different if we had knowin this before he would not have so willingly surrended the information as a result now we are skint he cannot afford to go see his kids we did phone his ex aking if shed cancel the claim and we owuld pay 150 a month of course she said no hes so upset im upset to

DO NOT SURRENDER INFO its as simple as that both me and my friend have been caught the same way later she rang up and asked the info line thing and it it truex

The tax credits will show up on the NRP details as he is part of the household and therefore joint claim, so you can't hide it anyway. Don't get him to lie on the form either and say that you don't get it because you do - it isn't based on you as an individual with your children, but assessed on your household income and that includes your hubby.

Blob

Sorry to hear about you probs with the CSA, but it seems that you have forgoten one very important thing in dealing with these people. Simply put they dont care about you or the children of second relationships, or from the first for that matter. They are only intrested in meeting targets, and if that means taking money from children then that's good for them!

They will go to extream lengths to take out the easy targets and distroy their lives compleatly. They will not bother with the difficult cases as it takes to long to sort these out and then they dont meet thier targets and then dont get thier bounses!

But most of all they are there to get money for the Gov, and again just how they get that, they dont care. The fact is that they have driven a number of people to take thier own lives, the body count stands at 62 to date, the number of second relationships they have destroyed is to many to count, the number of people that have given up work or left the country because of them is also beyond belief. They have also contribitued to teh economic problems in this country by forcing up the levels of debt that can't be serviced.

Sorry for getting on my soap box but when you read of cases like this and people supporting this kind of action, and usually PWC with an axe to grind, but not always. It proves beyond doubt that the CSA is not there to support children as it was supposed to be set up for, but to get money for the Gov and bitter ex's of both sex!

Dancing_Shoes

I am with you Blob;)
If it was a case of the bitter pwc (which if you are happy to see other children go without lets face it you are very bitter) then I would not claim the child tax credits just so she couldn't have it:rotfl:

Blonde_Bint

kelloggs36 wrote: »

That is correct Lizzie they DO have access. The rules state that all Child Tax Credits must be the income of the NRP even if the children aren't theirs - the money forms part of the household income into which the NRP lives. Bear in mind though that your hubby also gets money TAKEN OFF the amount he has to pay because he lives in the same household as YOUR children - children for whom he has no responsibility agreed, but as these children are living possibly most of the time in his household his expenses could be more??? (maybe)- but his own children would get less because of that. They virtually cancel each other out.

Ah, I didnt know that. I have a step son but I only have a child with my husband, I (nrpp) dont have children with another man. We get ctc for our little girl, so its family income then but if we didnt have a daughter we wouldnt be entitled to claim this do I have this right? so is it hers or familys??? to be classed as family income surely we dh and I should be entitled to this benefit even if we dont have DD? If we are only entitled to ctc because DD exists then it is her benefit not ours????

yes they are cancelling each other out in effect. in some cases its looking like it can be a right merry go round.

kelloggs36

Also, don't forget that if they are STEP children then there is a high chance that your household (NRP) has the advantage of the maintance from your partner's ex - thus negating the argument of higher costs. The point is also that the PWC's expenses don't go down because the NRP choses to move in with a partner who has children and should not therefore be allowed to reduce the amount they should pay for their own children who have their own parents who should be paying.

Blonde_Bint

kelloggs36 wrote: »

Also, don't forget that if they are STEP children then there is a high chance that your household (NRP) has the advantage of the maintance from your partner's ex yes, I hadnt thought of that - thus negating the argument of higher costs. The point is also that the PWC's expenses don't go down because the NRP choses to move in with a partner who has children and should not therefore be allowed to reduce the amount they should pay for their own children who have their own parents who should be paying.

can I just say, theres no flies on you is there:D

see the above, theres more to all of this than we think. course, the step children getting maintenance for their household hadnt thought of that. so although their step father is paying more for food, electric etc that household has the maintenance from someone else coming into it. I'm bl*ody sure theres shed loads I hadnt thought of, all as valid as the point above.

Hey light bulb moment perhaps between us we should make a list then send it to the csa to help them with their csa3 scheme. we should make them a list of all the wrongs they should leave out of their csa3.

shell_542

I understand that all for step children ... I wouldn't mind having some tax credits taken off of me if I was getting maintenance from another man to go towards my children etc etc ... but the fact is they take child tax credits off of biological children as well. That is what I disagree with.

Again, another example that this "one answer fits all" CSA they have doesn't work.

LizzieS_2

How many who complain about tax credits being used in their assessment are working full-time & have a partner working full-time? Yes there will be some, but it will be a small proportion of the total 'affected'.

Now say 2 children to pay for and 2 in household. £50 tax credits increases the assessment by £8. There's 2 choices here:
1) Refuse to apply for tax credits, you've avoided paying extra maintenance at a cost of £42pw to yourself.
2) Work out how much the nrrp needs to earn to put your household down to the minimum tax credit payment of £10pw, in this case it would be £102pw.

What everyone seems to forget is that tax credits are there to increase income levels - they are not there to provide a minimum benefit as that only applies to Income Support claimants - the other alternative is to reduce income tax, which on csa2 would mean the payment is unchanged.