Is council Tax even Legal?

hodgester

as it was written by the comedic troupe of Lamont/Heseltine and Portillo, then anything's possible I suppose.

As the whole Tory Party was (criminally) insane at this point the OP may have a point!

guppy

jayhow wrote: »

I am not sure why you people are so angry and negative...perhaps you should all broaden your consciousness a bit and try and look at things beyond what they are actually showing you... but then that would mean shattering all your illusions about how this country really operates...wouldn't want to upset your little apple carts....

I'm not sure the people of this site are as angry as you and as for shattering illusions...when exactly did you stop paying your CT bill?

Assuming you haven't been paying, I fear it is your illusions that will be shattered...sorry.

CIS

For anyone who wants a [STRIKE]laugh [/STRIKE] read the letters discussed are shown here - http://www.nocounciltax.com/

jayhow

guppy wrote: »

I'm not sure the people of this site are as angry as you and as for shattering illusions...when exactly did you stop paying your CT bill?

Assuming you haven't been paying, I fear it is your illusions that will be shattered...sorry.

I'm just expressing an opinion based upon my own research and experience after working in the financial services / credit industry for the last 10+ years and being very familiar with the way large corporations operate in their attempts to extort more and more money from consumers , and yes this includes every council up and down the country. Perhaps you should all go and do some research into fiat money, how loans are created, the issue of bonds issued out of legal fictions, the credit river decision ? Then come back and tell me if the whole global financial system is run ethically ?

however you look at it, the council have been extenuating money from every home owner for years. If they spent the money wisely, the bin men would visit once a week everywhere in the UK. They would should never have privatised the rubbish collection. That way we would pay less because we wouldn't be paying shareholders profits. If the council were operating within a legal frame work, they would have been paid. The fact that Jim refuses to pay money to a corporation, that is corrupt is to the benefit of us all. Maybe if more people woke up to the scams, pulled by local and national government we wouldn't be is the mess we find ourselves today.

James123_2

Not withstanding the argument put forward by the OP, I have wondered whether Council Tax can be deemed to be an appropriate term for the amounts levied. Tax is obviously levied on the ability of an individual of pay proportionate to their income or on a percentage of a transaction. It's perhaps a game of semantics, but CT should at very least be termed a 'charge' rather than a tax. I've sought to clarify this point with my local authority as a matter of principle as I regard this charge/tax as an overwhelming burden for those on low incomes such as ourselves. We sincerely fear for our ability to meet this obligation in the future.

dzug1

A 'bill' and a 'bill of exchange' are two very different things.

A CT demand/bill/request/whatever you like to call it is not a 'bill of exchange', nor does it need to be, any more than let's say the invoice your plumber gives you needs to be.

The most common example of a bill of exchange is in fact a cheque. An instruction to your bank to pay a third party.

So quoting the Bill of Exchange Act in relation to Council Tax is absolute twaddle.

lincroft1710

james123 - there is little point in discussing the term "Council Tax" with the local authority as it was Parliament who gave CT its name.

Chambers Dictionary's definition of "tax" says it is a contribution to revenue, nowhere does the ability to pay form part of the definition.

James123_2

lincroft1710 wrote: »

james123 - there is little point in discussing the term "Council Tax" with the local authority as it was Parliament who gave CT its name.

Chambers Dictionary's definition of "tax" says it is a contribution to revenue, nowhere does the ability to pay form part of the definition.

Yes, I agree. However, I feel that making a small nuisance of myself is a minor moral victory in the face of a tax which is believed by many to be grossly unfair. I can think of no other 'tax' in the UK which isn't linked in some way to an individual's ability to pay. Only our food bill is greater than our own CT demand.

guppy

jayhow wrote: »

I'm just expressing an opinion based upon my own research and experience after working in the financial services / credit industry for the last 10+ years and being very familiar with the way large corporations operate in their attempts to extort more and more money from consumers , and yes this includes every council up and down the country. Perhaps you should all go and do some research into fiat money, how loans are created, the issue of bonds issued out of legal fictions, the credit river decision ? Then come back and tell me if the whole global financial system is run ethically ?

You didn't answer my question...I respect your opinions, but please can you let us know whether you have put them in to practice.

Have you refused to pay your Council Tax?

dzug1

James123 wrote: »

. I can think of no other 'tax' in the UK which isn't linked in some way to an individual's ability to pay.

But it IS linked to ability to pay, even if that link is imperfect and indirect. That link is CT banding - if you have a bigger/better/more expensive house you must be richer and able to pay more.

Yes there are flaws in that argument, but it's not total rubbish