Commissioning a Boiler

mikey72

Cost me £100 to get mine commissioned after I installed it. It all worked cold, the Corgi registered plumber connected the gas at both ends, (meter and boiler), and filled in the check sheet, and issued a landlords cert. Now costs £45 a year for a new cert. So somewhere inbetween those prices sounds about right.
(or you could just claim you have no idea who fitted it, and have no paperwork apart from the instruction book, then the prospective buyer could get it inspected and certified)

vaio

thommy wrote: »

you posted too quick - i edited my last post in agreement:beer:

Yep, the law actually says…….

3. - (1) No person shall carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or gas storage vessel unless he is competent to do so.

(2) The employer of any person carrying out such work for that employer, every other employer and self-employed person who has control to any extent of such work and every employer and self-employed person who has required such work to be carried out at any place of work under his control shall ensure that paragraph (1) above is complied with in relation to such work.

(3) Without prejudice to the generality of paragraphs (1) and (2) above and subject to paragraph (4) below, no employer shall allow any of his employees to carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or service pipework and no self-employed person shall carry out any such work, unless the employer or self-employed person, as the case may be, is a member of a class of persons approved for the time being by the Health and Safety Executive for the purposes of this paragraph.”

I still find it very strange that I can DIY a gas cooker point but have to notify if I do an electric cooker point given that a mistake in the gas side could kill a household or spread the house over the surrounding streets whereas an electrical mistake is going to trip a breaker.

Personally I’d go for less regulation on the electrical side rather than more on the gas side, and have a competency requirement together with 7671 level testing on both.

Canucklehead

gforce4678 wrote: »

well i got my boiler installed by a relative and he said that it needs to be comissioned as we have been using it for a couple of years and need a certificate to say it works or something for when we sell the place soon/

Good morning: the installation must be notified to Building Control and a Building Compliance Certificate issued to the home owner....this can be done via Gas Safe Register by a RGI. For some unknown reason this isn't mentioned on the GSR consumer website (has been reported but who knows when this vital info will be added) but was outlined on the CORGI website before April 2009. Requirements are detailed on the Planning Portal here.

A Gas Safe Certificate (CP12) is a completely different piece of paper.

Stay safe.

HTH

Canucklehead

thommy

Canucklehead wrote: »

Good morning: the installation must be notified to Building Control and a Building Compliance Certificate issued to the home owner....this can be done via Gas Safe Register by a RGI. For some unknown reason this isn't mentioned on the GSR consumer website (has been reported but who knows when this vital info will be added) but was outlined on the CORGI website before April 2009. Requirements are detailed on the Planning Portal here.

A Gas Safe Certificate (CP12) is a completely different piece of paper.

Stay safe.

HTH

Canucklehead

good info but depends where you live - this is for england

edit -applies in wales too!!!

vaio

Now I am confused, the planning portal says…..



“Work to install a new boiler……..needs Building Regulations approval because of the safety issues and the need for energy efficiency. This is generally achieved by employing an installer who is registered under an approved scheme.

• Gas Boiler – An installer should be Gas Safe Registered from 1 April 2009”

The phrase “generally achieved” must mean there is another way of doing it. Maybe this reflects the competent DIY bit in the Gas Regs.


Similarly further down it says…….

“In some cases householders may decide to engage a firm that is not a member of one of the approved Competent Person schemes. In this case the installer will not be able to self-certify that their work is compliant, and the firm or the householder will need to give notice to your Local Authority of the intention to carry out the boiler work in advance, and pay a notification fee. Local Authority Building Control may choose to check the works have been carried out to the necessary standards and may employ a registered installer to do this.”

Which directly contradicts the Gas Regs as they say only Gas Safe people can do gas work for money so engageing a firm who is not registered is unlawful.

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thommy

vaio wrote: »

Now I am confused, the planning portal says…..

“Work to install a new boiler……..needs Building Regulations approval because of the safety issues and the need for energy efficiency. This is generally achieved by employing an installer who is registered under an approved scheme.

• Gas Boiler – An installer should be Gas Safe Registered from 1 April 2009”

The phrase “generally achieved” must mean there is another way of doing it. Maybe this reflects the compitent DIY bit in the Gas Regs.
Similarly further down it says…….
“In some cases householders may decide to engage a firm that is not a member of one of the approved Competent Person schemes. In this case the installer will not be able to self-certify that their work is compliant, and the firm or the householder will need to give notice to your Local Authority of the intention to carry out the boiler work in advance, and pay a notification fee. Local Authority Building Control may choose to check the works have been carried out to the necessary standards and may employ a registered installer to do this.”
Which directly contradicts the Gas Regs as they say only Gas Safe people can do gas work for money so engageing a firm who is not registered is unlawful.

the great british legal system - always protecting the consumer

Canucklehead

vaio wrote: »

Now I am confused, the planning portal says…..



“Work to install a new boiler……..needs Building Regulations approval because of the safety issues and the need for energy efficiency. This is generally achieved by employing an installer who is registered under an approved scheme.

• Gas Boiler – An installer should be Gas Safe Registered from 1 April 2009”

The phrase “generally achieved” must mean there is another way of doing it. Maybe this reflects the competent DIY bit in the Gas Regs.


Similarly further down it says…….

“In some cases householders may decide to engage a firm that is not a member of one of the approved Competent Person schemes. In this case the installer will not be able to self-certify that their work is compliant, and the firm or the householder will need to give notice to your Local Authority of the intention to carry out the boiler work in advance, and pay a notification fee. Local Authority Building Control may choose to check the works have been carried out to the necessary standards and may employ a registered installer to do this.”

Which directly contradicts the Gas Regs as they say only Gas Safe people can do gas work for money so engageing a firm who is not registered is unlawful.

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Good afternoon: to murky the water even further, a RGI doesn't need to belong to a 'Competent Person Scheme' (different creation from being registered with GsR) to install a boiler as the installation can be notified to LBC by the property owner at his/her cost (some LBCs charges up to £300 according to posters on trade forums). RGIs who to offer the homeowner this service (this is the 'generally achieved bit' and preferred by LBC otherwise it becomes their headache) are required to hold an Energy Conservation qualification in order to join a CPS (and there is only one, run by GSR) which gives him/her the right to self-certify and notify the installation to GSR who will forward the details to LBC and dispatch a Building Regs. Compliance Certificate to the property owner....whew!!!

In this economic climate, it is even more difficult for competent and honest trades to compete with those who give short shrift to the Building Regs., 'Best Practice' and the customer's best interests.

Thommy: I don't have a working knowledge of Scottish Building Regs. as you can seen from my location, I'm in the southeast England but for anyone with an interest here is a link for my friends in the north of the UK.;)

HTH

Canucklehead

thommy

what happens if you haven't informed the lbc of a new install?

we had one installed a year ago and never received a corgi cert (the original engineer said he did it twice but it never materialised. we've had it serviced and even had a part replaced under the manufacture's guarantee in the last couple of months by a different, manufacturer approved engineer. so i presumed all was okay.......

EliteHeat

thommy wrote: »

what happens if you haven't informed the lbc of a new install?

we had one installed a year ago and never received a corgi cert (the original engineer said he did it twice but it never materialised. we've had it serviced and even had a part replaced under the manufacture's guarantee in the last couple of months by a different, manufacturer approved engineer. so i presumed all was okay.......

Doesn't sound very likely to me. All notifications are viewable online and the installer can order duplicate certs if needed.

Either your installer is the unluckiest bloke in the world to have the notification disappear into the ether not once but twice, or he is a liar.

I hope he didn't have to pay for two lots of notifications.

thommy

EliteHeat wrote: »

Doesn't sound very likely to me. All notifications are viewable online and the installer can order duplicate certs if needed.

Either your installer is the unluckiest bloke in the world to have the notification disappear into the ether not once but twice, or he is a liar.

I hope he didn't have to pay for two lots of notifications.

think you're right....maybe the latter of the two.
can i check online or only an installer/engineer?
i didn't know lbc needed to be informed....
considering it's been serviced by different gassafe/manufacturer sent engineer should be legit and safe tho eh?