neighbour giving grief

chickmug

http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/england/genpub/en/1115315233153.html

This link may give some interesting reading?

guppy

sunshinetours wrote: »

I would still try and speak to him personally. I reckon so many neighbour disputes could be resolved if people still spoke to each other rather than filed an anonymous online complaint.

You are making the mistake of assuming other people are as reasonable and rational as you

tizhimi

Ooooh I'd love to see a photo - can you take one? I'm trying to picture what size it is and how imposing it is. You can use it in supporting evidence EVEN if it is legally ok because the council can use their discretion sometimes.

Geenie

I can't imagine that anyone should have to duck in their own bedroom for fear of being overlooked due to a recent, non permitted development!

Planning Officer has given a direct response on page 1, so the OP needs to proceed with all the details to their local council. And I have to agree and be yet again amazed at the inconsideration of people to their fellow neighbours! They live on a different planet for sure behaving like this. Have no sympathy and make them abide by the rules. Good luck OP.

sunshinetours

chickmug wrote: »

http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/england/genpub/en/1115315233153.html

This link may give some interesting reading?

Thanks for that - that has helped with our proposed playhouse issue which is quite large and raised off floor.

Seems to me that the neighbour may have fallen foul of
1. the raised verandah with planning regs although if its on a slope how do the measure that?
2. Being within 2 metres of a boundary if buidling is over 2.5m (which it probably is by the sounds)

The neigbbour apparently is not totally unapproachable as he turned his fountain off when asked so hopefully the OP has taken advice to speak to him last night and will report back! Yes I do assume (often wrongly) that everyone is as rational as me!

Maybe the neighbour would agree to limit his noise nuisance which is the biggest issue IMO before Enviromental Health are involved (start keeping a diary of the noise) and some planting of bamboo or hedge could shield the privacy issue although personally I think that is something you have to accept living on a hill/slope. Our garden also goes up from the house and we have a summerhouse at top although faced it away from immediate neighbour, and we have trees between garden so privacy maintained - easily sorted IMO

Vincenzo

janbabe wrote: »

Anyway I wll have to try and see him later and have a word, at least bout the music as there is nothing he can do about the cabin lest take it down and I can assure you he wont' do that without a fight!!!!!!!!!!

Janbabe,

If you are going to report the building to the planning authority I would avoid speaking to your neighbour about the nuisance he is causing. If you do he will assume that it was you that reported him for flouting planning laws and he will know the music is causing you distress. You may find this problem will then get worse.

I speak with experience of 'neighbours from hell'. In most cases, a reasonable person does not need to be told they are causing a nuisance. To tell an unreasonable or vindictive person that they are will often make matters worse.

If it was me I would inform and let the planning authority deal with the cabin, plead ignorance if he approcaches you and do not show your neighbour that anything he is doing is affecting you detrimentally. Otherwise he will likely take out his frustration on you!

I hope it all works out for the best.

DVardysShadow

Vincenzo wrote: »

... I speak with experience of 'neighbours from hell'. In most cases, a reasonable person does not need to be told they are causing a nuisance. To tell an unreasonable or vindictive person that they are will often make matters worse.

Disagree. A reasonable person does something about a problem, once you raise it.

Or you have the wrong definition of reasonable, if you mean that to be reasonable, the person must recognise the problem without being told.

You don't know if they are reasonable until you speak to them.

Vincenzo

DVardysShadow wrote: »

Disagree. A reasonable person does something about a problem, once you raise it.

Or you have the wrong definition of reasonable, if you mean that to be reasonable, the person must recognise the problem without being told.

You don't know if they are reasonable until you speak to them.

Perhaps I should have said 'considerate'. However I would say the two go hand in hand. If they are not considerate they are unlikely to be just because you have asked them to be. Hence they are not reasonable.

Does a considerate person need to be told that playing music loudly in their garden will affect their neighbours? Or that dogs barking in their gardens will affect other people? Or invasion of privacy is upsetting for people?

In view of the fact that he will not be able to do anything about the cabin without substantial expenditure, if it is flouting the planning laws, there is only one way to resolve this. If the OP complains about the noise or anything else now, she may as well cc him into the letter to the Council.

DVardysShadow

Vincenzo wrote: »

Does a considerate person need to be told that playing music loudly in their garden will affect their neighbours? Or that dogs barking in their gardens will affect other people? Or invasion of privacy is upsetting for people?

No, they do not need to be told these propositions. That is the problem, they are logical propositions or generalised statements which they might not realise they have brought into play. They may not realise that their music has crossed the threshold of 'loud', that their dogs are barking more when they are out, that their log cabin invades privacy.

Vincenzo

DVardysShadow wrote: »

No, they do not need to be told these propositions. That is the problem, they are logical propositions or generalised statements which they might not realise they have brought into play. They may not realise that their music has crossed the threshold of 'loud', that their dogs are barking more when they are out, that their log cabin invades privacy.

Possible, but in most cases I would say highly improbable.