Crunch time for council workers’ golden pensions

movingforward2010

donaldtramp wrote: »

Benefits are being cut back already, even under Labour!
Hope you enjoy the dole:p

seems to be paying out ok at the moment, i sent out quite a bit of JSA at work today
I'll be claiming my £64.30 p/w JSA, housing benefit and council tax, :beer:

edit: if i get made redundant there wont be anyone at the other end of the dole que tho? Better hope you dont loose your job hey:rolleyes:

donaldtramp

wxmlad wrote: »

seems to be paying out ok at the moment, i sent out quite a bit of JSA at work today
I'll be claiming my £64.30 p/w JSA, housing benefit and council tax, :beer:

One tyre for my BMW (that I own outright) costs more than you'll live off a week A purchase of 4 wouldn't even dent my bank balance :beer:
Puts it all into a bit of perspective really. If I get paid off I'll get nothing. Too much money saved up.

The wonderful life that is the dole

movingforward2010

donaldtramp wrote: »

One tyre for my BMW (that I own outright) costs more than you'll live off a week A purchase of 4 wouldn't even dent my bank balance :beer:
Puts it all into a bit of perspective really.

Oh the wonderful life that is the dole:rotfl:

so is this in relation to the JSA rate or my wage as a civil servant?, because if it is my wage you wont be far wrong, glad you understand about our low wage

my brother owns his 3 series outright too!, £1200 off auto trader

Harry_Powell

carolt wrote: »

No, I avoided your question because I didn't wish to discuss details of my working history with a bunch of complete strangers on an internet forum. I still don't.

You're welcome to believe what you like. If you want to believe I've made it all up for reasons best known to yourself, that's entirely up to you. I find it strange that you have selectively decided to agree with one part of my personal history - namely that I'm a teacher, but not that I'm self-employed - I have no idea why.

Now it's your turn. What do you do, Harry? Please tell us all exactly the nature of your employment and your pension history. Or don't - you know, I don't really think anyone's interested - this thread is not to discuss the pensions of individual posters (I believe there's a Board on MSE specifically to do that, if that's what you enjoy? - maybe it would be more your thing?) but to discuss the larger questions of the future of public sector pensions in the context of government debt and recession. A subject I find much more interesting, personally.

carolt please calm down, you'll have an embolism if you continue this way. I agree with you about ensuring that you don't give too much information away about ourselves on the internet, accessible by everyone on planet Earth who has an internet connection. Hence why I won't be saying what I do as a job, nor will I provide other personal information unless required in order to gain advice/assistance on here.

However, as I only know about your status as a teacher because you have said so on various threads and you also stated that you now run your own private school in a self employed capacity, I feel it's a little out of order for you to ge on your high horse about your personal privacy being violated. You are the one who disclosed your employment status, not me.

I also mentioned that I knew you were currently self employed, but as I said in my original post, to be currently working as a teacher in your own private school, you may possibly have been employed in a teaching role prior to this, either in a state school or further/higher education establishment.

The initial two posts I made were out of concern that as you stated categorically that you didn't have a Final Salary pension, yet are a teacher, I thought that you may have contributed to a pension without your knowledge (I believe all teachers are enrolled in the TPS?) and advised that you should chase this up.

When you refused to acknowledge this (a simple "I have never worked in a state school" would have sufficed), I made the assumption that instead of not having the knowledge of a teachers pension, you knew full well and that it undermined your argument on here, hence my 'disingenuous' statement.

Like bendix, I have come to my own conclusion about your pension status and your VI in regard to this subject area due to your rather emotional outburst. I don't feel there is anything else to say on this subject and as it seems to upset you, I think we should close the discussion. Apologies if you feel I have pried into your personal life but I would suggest that you should perhaps be a little more discrete about your personal details in future.

Old_Slaphead

StevieJ wrote: »

It was a tough one for slapper to work out or maybe he was just playing the pedant.

Awwww, c'mon Stevie

Pedantic - maybe you're right.....but I know you're master of the one line putdown .....and I did Google it and only got 3 hits. So "invalidity benefit" is not a common term.....even to us, the great unwashed.

Old_Slaphead

wxmlad wrote: »

my brother owns his 3 series outright too!, £1200 off auto trader

You 2 guys are really sad - is that what debating on this site comes down to "my cars bigger/better than your's"

movingforward2010

Old_Slaphead wrote: »

You 2 guys are really sad - is that what debating on this site comes down to "my cars bigger/better than your's"

my car is crap i cant afford a good one

carolt

Harry_Powell wrote: »

carolt please calm down, you'll have an embolism if you continue this way. I agree with you about ensuring that you don't give too much information away about ourselves on the internet, accessible by everyone on planet Earth who has an internet connection. Hence why I won't be saying what I do as a job, nor will I provide other personal information unless required in order to gain advice/assistance on here.

However, as I only know about your status as a teacher because you have said so on various threads and you also stated that you now run your own private school in a self employed capacity, I feel it's a little out of order for you to ge on your high horse about your personal privacy being violated. You are the one who disclosed your employment status, not me.

I also mentioned that I knew you were currently self employed, but as I said in my original post, to be currently working as a teacher in your own private school, you may possibly have been employed in a teaching role prior to this, either in a state school or further/higher education establishment.

The initial two posts I made were out of concern that as you stated categorically that you didn't have a Final Salary pension, yet are a teacher, I thought that you may have contributed to a pension without your knowledge (I believe all teachers are enrolled in the TPS?) and advised that you should chase this up.

When you refused to acknowledge this (a simple "I have never worked in a state school" would have sufficed), I made the assumption that instead of not having the knowledge of a teachers pension, you knew full well and that it undermined your argument on here, hence my 'disingenuous' statement.

Like bendix, I have come to my own conclusion about your pension status and your VI in regard to this subject area due to your rather emotional outburst. I don't feel there is anything else to say on this subject and as it seems to upset you, I think we should close the discussion. Apologies if you feel I have pried into your personal life but I would suggest that you should perhaps be a little more discrete about your personal details in future.

Excellent. More than happy to not discuss all my employment history with you.

Thanks so much for ceasing to demand that I hand over all details of employment history. :eek:


Some people!

carolt

Is that what you call pushing all the right buttons?

You need to refine your pulling technique. :eek:

Of course he's DD. Didn't everyone know that?

Harry_Powell

carolt wrote: »

Excellent. More than happy to not discuss all my employment history with you.

Thanks so much for ceasing to demand that I hand over all details of employment history. :eek:


Some people!

Happy to oblige, though I reserve the right to remind you of this conversation when you next start discussing your employment details on here.

I will also point out, if I may, that you personalised this particular debate when you stated you didn't have a final salary pension. Is it so unexpected that someone leads on from your personal disclosure and points out the incongruity of your position of being a very experienced teacher (a reasonable assumption as you run your own private school) who does not have a final salary pension when Education is one of the sectors where it is difficult not to enrol in a final salary pension.

Given your overraught and disproportionate response to my simple question, I come to the conclusion that either you're annoyed because you do indeed have a teacher's FS pension and have been caught in a lie, or that you are being untruthful about your status as a teacher. Anyway, it's none of my business and I only mention it because I am a little unnerved that my simple and genuine attempt to advise you about checking your deffered pension status has been distorted and turned into an argument.

I should not be surprised though, after having quietly watched from the sidelines on several threads, it seems you initiate arguments deliberately in order to then revel in a 'victim' role. It's rather amusing to watch act out this role, regardless of how transparent you are, so I do hope you continue it.