MONEY MORAL DILEMMA. Should Theo undercut Duncan's work at double pay?

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  • Magic-Ian
    Magic-Ian Posts: 26 Forumite
    No he should not. He should try negotiating with Duncan and get triple next time. It happened in the NHS where people fought over overtime. Now there is no "overtime" you just work more hours on "bank" at flat rate. All because some people wanted extra hours at any cost.
  • The dilemma suggests that the company would renege on its agreement with Duncan in order to reach a cheaper deal with Theo. What does that tell you about the morals of the company?
  • catch22
    catch22 Posts: 540
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    He could ask Duncan to share the hours or wait...

    I don't know why the statement below is important? Don't people without children have a right to earn extra money, the same applies to flexible time?

    'he has a new baby so money's tight and he's always focused his cash on his family.'

    catch22
  • Summer76
    Summer76 Posts: 18 Forumite
    Whoever gets in first should get the. Theo may have a baby, but that does not make him any more worthy of getting the overtime. Duncan may have other commitments of his own that he needs the money for. Children are not the only financial burden that people have.
  • Who on earth thinks these dilemmas up ..

    The company has a contract already at triple time .. that stands and can not be set aside just because with hindsight some one else thinks they could have had a better deal.

    It sounds a real dog eat dog workplace .. maybe they all need to get their collective act to-gether sorting out how overtime will be offered, shared and the appropriate rate.

    Within reason I think employees have some moral responsibility to try and help the employer by being willing acepting overtime and at a reasonable rate for all concerned .. after all it is surely in everyones interests for the company to survive.

    If the situation is that there is difficulty completing the work during normal hours maybe the company should look at hiring more staff taking someone off the unemployment register, even if it is part time.

    Now that would be a real moral dilemma for all wouldn't it ..how willing would the regular staff be to accept their ordinary work and pay, no worries about double or triple time .. just the knowledge that someone else can start to feed their family, no longer being on the dole, and they can go all home when the whistle blows. Sorted ?

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  • JayD
    JayD Posts: 694
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    They are colleagues - not mates.
    Times are hard. Each should do whatever he can to ensure a stable future and that bills are paid - and if possible, save a bit for even tougher tiimes.

    If Theo can negotiate a deal, let him try - and next time he should be more alert to what is on offer and act sooner!
  • A.Jones
    A.Jones Posts: 508 Forumite
    > Colleagues Theo and Duncan work for a company where overtime's scarce and it often struggles to find people to cover.


    The company / boss clearly needs to look at how it / (s)he advertises when the scarce overtime is available. The dilemma says overtime is scarce and it struggles to find people to cover. Yet two people are willing to do it. So why is it struggling to find people when people are willing to do it?

    Theo could go to the boss and undercut Duncan, but then he should expect Duncan to go back to the boss and undercut him. And so it will go on until they reach rock bottom. If they both really need the cash then one of them will end up doing the work at standard rate.

    Theo should go to the boss and tell him/her he is willing to do overtime in the future (but not this time as Duncan is already down to do it) so could he be informed / considered when the next overtime allocation is available.
  • We all have a duty of care to one another.
    Its called loving your neighbour as you love yourself.
    This is the greatest commandment.....so..
    the two of them should work any over time out between them.
  • LameWolf
    LameWolf Posts: 11,234
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    First come first served.

    If Theo's that strapped for cash, he should have had his eye on the ball and got in first to grab the overtime.
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  • tara747
    tara747 Posts: 10,238
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    edited 19 August 2009 at 10:11AM
    catch22 wrote: »
    He could ask Duncan to share the hours or wait...

    I don't know why the statement below is important? Don't people without children have a right to earn extra money, the same applies to flexible time?

    'he has a new baby so money's tight and he's always focused his cash on his family.'
    Summer76 wrote: »
    Whoever gets in first should get the. Theo may have a baby, but that does not make him any more worthy of getting the overtime. Duncan may have other commitments of his own that he needs the money for. Children are not the only financial burden that people have.


    I totally agree with these two posts!!! Who decided that people with children should be first in line for everything? :confused: Parents make the conscious decision to have children and should be able to support them. Single people (especially those living on their own) often have higher living costs than couples.

    Sorry for the rant, this is a pet peeve of mine. I don't see why Theo having children has anything to do with this MMD.
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