how can you avoid house u own paying for nursing home fees

Pollycat

Gracchus_Babeuf wrote: »

This is such a stupid post. First of all the 'kids' are most likely going to be around 60-65 when their surviving parent (probably mother) goes into dotage, and at that age a Porsche is likely to be the last thing on their minds. Most probably they will be worrying about how to get by on a pittance of a state pension.

I doubt that the person you aimed this at is bothered whether you think his post is stupid or not.

He last posted on here in November 2009 and hasn't logged on for over a year!

You seem to have a habit of calling some people's posts stupid.
This is the second one I've seen in less than an hour.
Just because people express an alternative opinion to you doesn't necessarily mean what they are writing is stupid.

cavework

Thanks Pollycat for pointing this out..
Off for a Herbal tea and to book an appointment with Spec Savers

lucky_me_2

I think it is wrong that people try to avoid paying for their care in a nursing home - I work in a hospital that cares specifically for elderly patients and we get so many relatives who claim that the patient has no money/assetts to pay nursing home fees (yet we find out about recent house sales and the relatives keeping the money from house sales/assets etc) - what happens is that the hospital social workers then have to spend much longer trying to find nursing homes that will accept these patients - all the time the patient is in our care it is costing the NHS more money to keep people in hospital - sometimes these people do not need hospital care - this means no free bed space for really ill patients who need the care and also means more money is being wasted - feeding, nursing and looking after sometimes very difficult patients. It's also wrong because there are elderly people who really can not afford to live in these difficult times and therefore can not afford nursing home care when the time comes and all the funding is given to those that actually can afford their own care. People moan about how awful care is in the NHS but there are many people who are taking up nursing time who really should not be in hospital - that is what nursing homes are designed for and unfortunately they too have running expenses!

Koicarp

lucky_me wrote: »

... also means more money is being wasted - feeding, nursing and looking after sometimes very difficult patients. QUOTE]

I really hope you are not a nurse!

lisyloo

I really hope you are not a nurse!

I think you need to see the difference between nursing and personal care.
Nurses are there to help ill people not those who need help with personal care like washing and dressing.
Time spent feeding/dressing/washing people who are not ill, is not what nurses should be doing on the NHS.
Clearly if someone is actually in in hospital then their personal needs have to be taken care of if they can't do it themselves, but people who are not ill should simply not be there.
Obviously they need care, but not in a hospital.
No-one was saying they shouldn't receive care, but not from health professionals.

Torry_Quine

Koicarp wrote: »

lucky_me wrote: »

... also means more money is being wasted - feeding, nursing and looking after sometimes very difficult patients. QUOTE]

I really hope you are not a nurse!

Obviously I can't speak for her and her wording is ambiguous. However I took it to mean that it would be better if people who no longer need hospital care but can be looked after in a care home are costing vast amounts of money while in an inappropriate setting.

Errata

First of all, people in residential care are also cared for and nursed by health professionals, many of whom are qualified doctors, nurses, and therapists.
Ensuring that people are cared for and nursed in the most appropriate setting is the joint decision of the person themselves, their family, the NHS and the local authority. Many people who are stuck in an NHS bed are often there because the NHS and the LA can't get themselves organised and act in an appropriate and timely manner.
Finally, I doubt many people are stuck in an NHS hospital because of lack of funding, and certainly those who self-fund have no reliance on third party funding.

Torry_Quine

Errata wrote: »

First of all, people in residential care are also cared for and nursed by health professionals, many of whom are qualified doctors, nurses, and therapists.
Ensuring that people are cared for and nursed in the most appropriate setting is the joint decision of the person themselves, their family, the NHS and the local authority. Many people who are stuck in an NHS bed are often there because the NHS and the LA can't get themselves organised and act in an appropriate and timely manner.
Finally, I doubt many people are stuck in an NHS hospital because of lack of funding, and certainly those who self-fund have no reliance on third party funding.

You'd be surprised actually. Many people known as 'delayed discharge' are in hospital awaiting funding for a care home. There in some cases may even be a bed but social services can take a long time to get funding in place especially towards the end of the financila year.

Also there are very few nurses in care settings. The doctor is usually the local GP and therapists are non existent in my experience.

Koicarp

lisyloo wrote: »

I think you need to see the difference between nursing and personal care.
Nurses are there to help ill people not those who need help with personal care like washing and dressing.
Time spent feeding/dressing/washing people who are not ill, is not what nurses should be doing on the NHS.
Clearly if someone is actually in in hospital then their personal needs have to be taken care of if they can't do it themselves, but people who are not ill should simply not be there.
Obviously they need care, but not in a hospital.
No-one was saying they shouldn't receive care, but not from health professionals.

Thanks very much for that explanation, however as a registered nurse for 20 years I didn't need it! My comment was aimed towards this statement "...also means more money is being wasted - feeding, nursing and looking after sometimes very difficult patients". I would suggest that if somebody needs "nursing" care and/or is a "very difficult patient" that is health care, it should be provided either by registered health professionals or staff working under the direction of them, and it should be free at the point of delivery. It may be difficult for hospital based staff to understand, but healthcare is not just provided in the acute phase of illness or disability- it may be required for the rest of a persons life.

What is clear from this thread is that many respondents are using the terms nursing/care home interchangeably. They are not the same. The terms healthcare and social care would be more correct.

Torry_Quine

Koicarp wrote: »

Thanks very much for that explanation, however as a registered nurse for 20 years I didn't need it! My comment was aimed towards this statement "...also means more money is being wasted - feeding, nursing and looking after sometimes very difficult patients". I would suggest that if somebody needs "nursing" care and/or is a "very difficult patient" that is health care, it should be provided either by registered health professionals or staff working under the direction of them, and it should be free at the point of delivery. It may be difficult for hospital based staff to understand, but healthcare is not just provided in the acute phase of illness or disability- it may be required for the rest of a persons life.

What is clear from this thread is that many respondents are using the terms nursing/care home interchangeably. They are not the same. The terms healthcare and social care would be more correct.

We're not however talking about people who need nursing care in a hospital setting but people who need care in a social care setting but for whatever reason have not yet been moved to a care home. The money is being wasted as it is much more expensive to care for someone in hopspital even if they don't need to be there as for example there are more nurses.