Money Moral Dilemma: Would you park free if it blocked wheelchair access?

coloquil

no way would i do this but this country seems full of people who couldent care less about other peoples feelings thank god i am retiring soon i dont want to stay in a country that is loosing its moral fibre

keith:A

Bionic

parkysaves wrote: »

Lastly, I have never quite understood the whole disabled parking thing. Why is it ok for a disabled driver to park on double yellow lines when they are there as it is not a safe place to park? Surely someone who will take longer negotiating parking, getting out of veh, to their destination and back again will be put in as much of a dangerous situation as any other driver on the road?? (obv this is off on a tangent to the bay parking)

Hi Parkysaves
I think you've missed the point on yellow lines.... Having driven now for some 46 years, it seems to me that the majority of YL's in town are part of the plan to guarantee parking fine income for the local authority. I do understand that there are many stretches where safety is an issue but when you look at the big picture.. Am I being a cynic?
Alternatively the LA might be thinking that by clearing the area they are making it safer for DD's to exit the vehicle - unlikely I know but....

SusanC_2

Morporkian wrote: »

Therefore, when we do it, we go to the next town over (about 8 miles, maybe 10 to the actual shop) and, while there is public transport available to me, it would be pure murder for me to go on my own, with my 2 yr old on either a bus or a train and THEN have to bring all of the shopping back as well. Most of the time, it just about fits into the boot of the car! So we go, by car, and use the P&T Space, so that our daughter is safer when we get her out of the car. If the spaces were at the back of the car park, we would STILL use them. We also try to go when there are less people so that if we cannot get that space, we will go towards the back of the car park anyway and walk.
Then the issue of ordering online. That can be a no-go for people for MANY reasons.
1: No CC/DC available to use online. -Which was me, until recently.
2: No money in account. - If you do have a DC, but do not have the money in the account, then using the cash you have on you is the only option (unless you have 0% overdraft and money will go in within the next day or two) and you cannot be rid of the child(ren).
3: The supermarket not actually offering everything you want online. -This does happen and some people also like to check for reduced items, or for items that need to be seen/tried on etc before purchasing.
4: Not being able to spend the minimum if there is one, but still needing quite a lot of items.
5: Going on the way to a holiday/whatever and only having that hour or two to do it, so having child(ren) with you anyway. -If they need to use the WC, then P&T are good, as you can get what you need, while other half deals with child(ren).

So, for the people suggesting that parents don't always have a CHOICE, they are not being silly, or whatever it was you were trying to prove (and then disproved by agreeing with certain situations) because these are the types of situations they meant, they just didn't happen to go into them in any detailed.
Obviously, they stupidly thought that people would use their common sense and realise that not all parents had a choice of whether or not to drive to a supermarket all of the time!!

Any sorry for epic rambling. Feel much better now. Sorry to anyone who takes anything as a personal attack or insult, it was not meant that way, just trying to explain myself clearly - hence epic ramble lol!
And now it is off to cook dinner for aforementioned DP and DD. Enjoy your evening all

I wish the parent and child spaces were further away so that other people wouldn't use them. I don't see any need for them to be near to the store although it is useful if they are by a walkway which leads to the store so that you don't have to be crossing lot sof aisles with a small child.

I missed the people saying that people with children should walk/use public transport in order to avoid inconveniencing those without children. :rotfl: What a ridiculous idea - I guess the people suggesting it mustn't have children.

scubaangel

Yes, I would park in the space, if the car in front has an absolute need for the space presumably with their blue badge there is other suitable parking avaliable which would allow them to park with the space they require more easily kept clear. IIRC most councils have car parks which are free to blue badge holders and are typical park in rows type car parks - which if they drove in forward would allow plenty of space at the back.

Also you dont know that the person who requires the space is actually out and about that day with the vehicle, most signs of that type are fixed and not placed on an as needed basis.

Pellegrina

Sign in a French Supermarket carpark - "If you'd like my disabled parking space, perhaps you'd like my disability". Think on.

So no, I certainly would not. I do not park in a disabled space if my husband (who has a blue badge) is with me but it's me who's getting out of the car. To do so is to abuse the blue badge. I also do not park over dropped curbs - years of pushing my mother in a wheelchair and being exasperated by having to walk well out of my way in order to cross the road has taught me that.

As to the guy who thinks the driver should get in and move his car out etc. etc. - why should he? He's asked politely for your consideration and the least you can do is respect it. He/she has enough hassle in his or her life as it is. Ask any disabled person or carer.

Magic-Ian

afurlong wrote: »

Absolutely not! My daughter was in a wheelchair for only 4 months but we encountered blatant misuse of parking spaces designated for disabled, never mind people actually blocking access which is far worse. Unless you have been in this situation, you cannot understand how impossible it is, particularly when other people are not considerate to your needs and use plain common sense......

If you noticed that other able bodied drivers were inconsiderate in just four months, imagine what it is like for those with a permanent disability. I know that now you have experienced it you are unlikely to do it.:T

mayb_2

Normally I would say that I would leave the space but I think I might check first to see if this was a blue badge holder's car. Parking is usually made available for blue badge holders too, so it would be a bit of a problem if they then want two parking spaces in another area as I cannot park in their blue badge spaces. Perhaps I am just having a bad day!!

saveralot

No. My uncle is a wheelchair user, he doesn't drive himself and was nearly injured due to selfish people parking in the disabled spaces. We had to park in an ordinary space and this meant he had to get out in the middle of the area where people drive. This stupid driver didnt look and if it wasn't for me yelling (yes I did swear, yes I would again), I dread to think what would happen. I told the staff at the venue and the people with cars in disabled places without badges got a big sticky notice - hope it cost them a few quid to clean off. Selfish lot. (wow I said that without swearing once miracle :_)

Magic-Ian

helen1991 wrote: »

I would park in the space, the car can always pull forward to load the wheelchair. Disabled drivers can park just about anywhere anyway and there are never enough normal spaces but loads of empty disabled spaces.

So the disabled driver has to leave their chair in the middle of the road (making it difficult to move vehicle) move forward get back out and load the wheelchair and then get back in? Tell me this, if there was space for the car to move forward, why didn't you park in front of it? Or is that too difficult for you?:mad: I bet you are blonde.

Morporkian

SusanC wrote: »

I wish the parent and child spaces were further away so that other people wouldn't use them. I don't see any need for them to be near to the store although it is useful if they are by a walkway which leads to the store so that you don't have to be crossing lot sof aisles with a small child.

I missed the people saying that people with children should walk/use public transport in order to avoid inconveniencing those without children. :rotfl: What a ridiculous idea - I guess the people suggesting it mustn't have children.

(Popping in while I have a chance....)

Yes, I would probably prefer them to be further away and near a walkway of some sort and a trolley area (for returning the trolley). Though, my DD does know to stop and look for cars and such, as we were taught and so I have taught her also. Anyway...

I don't think anyone specifically said, "walk/use public transport with kids too", but the comment was "Parents do not HAVE to drive, they have a choice", or at least something very very similar, so it is/was implying that parents should either shop online OR just not drive there.
I am in agreement though, they must NOT have children, or perfect little angels :rolleyes:

And after dinner we are off to the shops for some bits for a party tomorrow, so I must take care not to annoy those people with my "fat, screaming, misbehaved DD"
(Missed one bit from previous post, shall add and then go)