State Pension Costs

baileysbattlebus

treliac wrote: »

Where are all these jobs going to come from then? Unless really good economic times come along (and how likely is this huh?) there aren't going to be a surfeit of jobs across all age groups. Many companies already consider you over the hill by or around the age of 40.

The prospect of the average 'oldie' working to their late 60s or more seems pretty unrealistic to me.

I agree - OH's job until a couple of years ago had a retirement age of 60 - now it is 65. He is in a fairly senior position, if he decides to work until he is 65, he is stopping someone getting promoted into his position and someone getting promoted into his replacements position etc, etc, until at the bottom of the chain someone doesn't get recruited into a junior role.

And who will want a load of doddery old f*rts in the driving seat. OH is 55 btw - not quite a doddery old f*rt yet, but on the way.

There are consequences beyond the financials for keeping people in the work place longer.

vivatifosi

treliac wrote: »

To measure someone from one stratum of the population against someone from another, regardless of whichever decade was their heyday, is disingenuous and pointless.

Very true. The only time I notice a real generational shift is with regard to the space race. Those of us Baby Boomers/Early Gen Xers who remember the space race watched with absolute wonderment and were genuinely worried that a bunch of real life heroes wouldn't get back alive.

There is a disconcertingly high number of people from younger generations who think that old codgers can never have done that, especially with less computing power than a Casio Calculator and find it easier to believe conspiracy theories instead.

Still, not bad for people who ate rocks for breakfast and sticks for dinner

treliac

baileysbattlebus wrote: »

I agree - OH's job until a couple of years ago had a retirement age of 60 - now it is 65. He is in a fairly senior position, if he decides to work until he is 65, he is stopping someone getting promoted into his position and someone getting promoted into his replacements position etc, etc, until at the bottom of the chain someone doesn't get recruited into a junior role.

And who will want a load of doddery old f*rts in the driving seat. OH is 55 btw - not quite a doddery old f*rt yet, but on the way.

There are consequences beyond the financials for keeping people in the work place longer.

Haven't I read that your OH is an air traffic controller? If so, then I certainly agree - we want our planes being brought in by staff who've got all their faculties.

No running off to the loo every five minutes to change the inco pad, peering at the radar or adjusting the hearing aid while the pilot is talking

Sorry, only joking but the prospect might rattle some of those young'uns.

treliac

vivatifosi wrote: »

Very true. The only time I notice a real generational shift is with regard to the space race. Those of us Baby Boomers/Early Gen Xers who remember the space race watched with absolute wonderment and were genuinely worried that a bunch of real life heroes wouldn't get back alive.

There is a disconcertingly high number of people from younger generations who think that old codgers can never have done that, especially with less computing power than a Casio Calculator and find it easier to believe conspiracy theories instead.

Still, not bad for people who ate rocks for breakfast and sticks for dinner

:rotfl::rotfl:

Yeah. And my DH is one of those moon landing conspiracists. Firmly believes the shadows are wrong and the flags shouldn't billow in no atmosphere. But then he's probably a dinosaur as well!

vivatifosi

Ah, then he needs to watch the Mythbusters NASA moon landing special where they explained all of that! Very good programme, though hardcore non-believers will now think that the Mythbusters are in the pay of NASA.
http://www.discoverychannel.co.uk/web/shows/mythbusters-nasa/

nearlynew

vivatifosi wrote: »

Ah, then he needs to watch the Mythbusters NASA moon landing special where they explained all of that! Very good programme, though hardcore non-believers will now think that the Mythbusters are in the pay of NASA.
http://www.discoverychannel.co.uk/web/shows/mythbusters-nasa/

Being of the tin-foil hat persuasion, I love a good conspiracy theory.



Not as much as I love rewired though.

vivatifosi

nearlynew wrote: »

Being of the tin-foil hat persuasion, I love a good conspiracy theory.

:rotfl::rotfl:

With hindsight I could probably have picked a better board on which to support the Apollo astronauts...

treliac

vivatifosi wrote: »

:rotfl::rotfl:

With hindsight I could probably have picked a better board on which to support the Apollo astronauts...

Never miss an opportunity. :cool:

baileysbattlebus

treliac wrote: »

Haven't I read that your OH is an air traffic controller? If so, then I certainly agree - we want our planes being brought in by staff who've got all their faculties.

No running off to the loo every five minutes to change the inco pad, peering at the radar or adjusting the hearing aid while the pilot is talking

Sorry, only joking but the prospect might rattle some of those young'uns.

OH is in the tower at Heathrow - he's an air traffic engineer not a controller. He and his team look after the radars, instrument landing systems, the conrollers workstations, infact all of the operational equipment to do with air traffic control. The amount of equipment they have is unreal. And I suppose you wouldn't want a shaky finger programming the ils glideslope to something other than 3 degrees - otherwise the planes would land on the hotels around the airport or the M4 - oops

But we do know quite a few controllers and their jobs are very stressful, especially the visual approach controllers - and you're right inco pads and hearing aids wouldn't bode well.

Seriously though, there are some jobs where you do need to ne very sharp and have very quick reactions - air traffic control is just one of them. I think our thought processes and reaction times slow as we get older.

And what about nurses - trying to heave some 15 stone bloke out of a bed when they are 65 or 68? Imagine having to have a shave in a certain area of your body by a nurse who looks as if she's got Parkinsons?

Or 65 or 68 year old fireman trying to carry the 12stone person 50 yards or how ever long they had to carry them.

Perhaps we need to introduce a new type of job - the type they have in the US that seem to be mainly done by "seniors" - carpark guiders (have you been to Disney?) or bag fillers in the supermarkets (Publix)

bo_drinker

PasturesNew wrote: »

When pensioners were brought up, there wasn't the spending on them in family allowances, tax credits, education, social services, youth clubs, baby bonds, parks, schems giveaways ....

Today's kids have had money thrown at them hand over fist in 100s of ways. Baby bonds, family allowance, child tax credits, a teacher and an assistant in a classroom holding half the kids, social services, prizes and giveaways for being naughty.

Yes and those of us without kids have been paying for this lot..... So the binge drinking toe rags will have to dig deep when I'm of pensionable age.