Jsa and living seperatly

mealone

lataniakn wrote: »

My boyfriend was made redundant from his part time job a couple of months ago. he's been trying to find work but so far no luck. So far i've managed to struggle to pay the bills and keep up to date with things but now its increasingly becoming difficult for me to support 2 people on what I earn. The only thing we're entitled to is some working tax credit as i work over the 30 hours.

He cannot claim jsa as he's not paid enough national insurace over the years and is only entitled to income based JSA but as we're a couple and i'm working, it equals to £0. Also I'm earning just over enough to not be entitled to council tax benefit or LHA.

Even though he's not happy with the idea I've asked him to move back to his mothers house and take his name off everything here and we act as partners visiting me maybe a few times a week. Then he can get JSA, i can get housing benefit and single persons discount on council tax and things should be manageable.

He contributes to nothing in the household anyway, so i dont think i see a problem with this but wanted to ask if this was ok? And if so how many nights a week is he officially allowed to be here?

pipkin71 wrote: »

Married couples have spilt up and been entitled to claim benefits, as they are no longer living as husband and wife. The problem arises if they are still living together as they were when their names were at the same address, and if the only difference is that the name has moved address, then it's fraud, but as this appears [from what has been posted] to be more than just moving the boyfriend's name to a new location, I personally do not see it as such.

Ultimately it would be down to an investigating officer to determine whether or not they could be see as LTAHW, should an investigation be necessary, rather than people on a forum who have different opinions, but I totally agree that the OP should seek advice.

This is the op pipkin, splitting up wasnt mentioned until the poster was told that you can still be classed as couple while living apart, this is about money, pure and simple, he gets money if he dosnt live with his partner, he get nowt living with them.

lataniakn

mealone wrote: »

This is the op pipkin, splitting up wasnt mentioned until the poster was told that you can still be classed as couple while living apart, this is about money, pure and simple, he gets money if he dosnt live with his partner, he get nowt living with them.

and if you read the rest of my posts after this you'd see that I'm not willing to do this if it means its fraudeulent so dont imply that i've changed my story as the posts progressed. I didn't give the full details straight away as i thought it was a straight answer. i provided full details when i realised it wasn't as straight forward as i thought. Please dont make me out to be something I'm not... I'm merely trying to think options to get me out of this impossible state, whilst still clinging onto whatever relationship i have left.

Basically i'm not prepared to do anything if its wrong. This is the idea of these forums, right? To get clear information, not slated for circumstances.

alwaysonthego_2

mealone wrote: »

This is the op pipkin, splitting up wasnt mentioned until the poster was told that you can still be classed as couple while living apart, this is about money, pure and simple, he gets money if he dosnt live with his partner, he get nowt living with them.

I agree with this, the couple are living together as husband and wife and are living apart to get more beenfits but still are going to continue as a couple.

terryw

alwaysonthego wrote: »

I agree with this, the couple are living together as husband and wife and are living apart to get more beenfits but still are going to continue as a couple.

No. Once he moves away to live at his mum's they are not living together as husband and wife. They are a boyfriend and girlfriend who live at separate dwellings. They do not have shared responsiblility for the OP's dwelling as he has living expenses at his new abode. It is unlikely that his mum will keep him for nothing as the OP has done.

OP. Just as a digression, but if you can't receive HB now as a couple living on your wages then I can't see that you will receive it as single person. You will receive the single occupant CTB, but of cours your boyfriend should ensure that he informs the council of his move back to his mum's as this could affect CT liabilty at the mum's house.

pipkin71

mealone wrote: »

This is the op pipkin, splitting up wasnt mentioned until the poster was told that you can still be classed as couple while living apart, this is about money, pure and simple, he gets money if he dosnt live with his partner, he get nowt living with them.

I read the other posts too though mealone, to form the opinion I did.

I understand that the reasons for separating are financial, I just don't agree that it's fraud, based on the other things the OP has said

lataniakn

terryw wrote: »

OP. Just as a digression, but if you can't receive HB now as a couple living on your wages then I can't see that you will receive it as single person. You will receive the single occupant CTB, but of cours your boyfriend should ensure that he informs the council of his move back to his mum's as this could affect CT liabilty at the mum's house.

On our local governments website there is a calculator for housing benefit. With him here it comes out as zero, with just me here it gives a weekly allowance of just £8. Not alot but its still something to help. I'm not sure how its worked out or if its even right but that's all i was going off. Just the single persons discount off the council tax is not alot, but something.

Quite frankly, I just want him to stand on his own two feet. I'm not going along with this due to the 'greyness' of the situation and i'm not willing to risk anything without professional advice (maybe from CAB or the council). I can understand there's alot of fradeulant people out there but not all who post on these forums are sniffing around for 'the next scam'. This was a genuine question from a genuine person. I think a few who have responded have assumed I'm rubbing my hands together thinking of his JSA and what i could do with it. Not at all... I'm thinking of me here, my own self respect, the fact i want him to stand on his own feet (it would be his money). I don't mind supporting someone for a reasonable amount of time, but after a while it becomes too much.

terryw

lataniakn wrote: »

On our local governments website there is a calculator for housing benefit. With him here it comes out as zero, with just me here it gives a weekly allowance of just £8. Not alot but its still something to help. I'm not sure how its worked out or if its even right but that's all i was going off. Just the single persons discount off the council tax is not alot, but something.

Quite frankly, I just want him to stand on his own two feet. I'm not going along with this due to the 'greyness' of the situation and i'm not willing to risk anything without professional advice (maybe from CAB or the council). I can understand there's alot of fradeulant people out there but not all who post on these forums are sniffing around for 'the next scam'. This was a genuine question from a genuine person. I think a few who have responded have assumed I'm rubbing my hands together thinking of his JSA and what i could do with it. Not at all... I'm thinking of me here, my own self respect, the fact i want him to stand on his own feet (it would be his money). I don't mind supporting someone for a reasonable amount of time, but after a while it becomes too much.

I think the £8 is the single person CT reduction and HB does not come into it.

Good for you wanting him to stand on his own feet. It will be interesting to see how long his mum is prepared to keep him for next to nothing!

Best wishes what ever you decide.

lataniakn

hehe thanks Terry. His mother would love it tbh.... she's the 'suffocating' type. Decisions, huh..........

Bogof_Babe

The simple fact is that if they can't afford to live together now, and are not entitled to any help, then they will inevitably split up anyway, or get into massive debt trying to pay the bills.

PN makes a good point, i.e. would it be possible to downsize? Of course if the OP and partner only have a one bed place now, it doesn't allow for much leeway.

If he does move out and is thus entitled to income based JSA then he will have to keep his part of the bargain and look for work, and they should provide him with help to find a job. That would be the case for anyone living alone with no other source of income, so what's the big deal?

lataniakn

Unfortunatly that's not an option. i live in a tiny one bed where you can't swing a cat, and where the rent is what it was 3 years ago, so quite low compared to prices these days. The only way to downsize is a bedsit and for me that isn't an option, without meaning to sound like a snob. CAB it is.