Rail Travel: Tips on Cheap Tickets

dzug1

If you buy a through ticket the cost of the tube is included. If you buy separate tickets, not unless you add it as an extra

miller

lindiann wrote: »

Hi just the thought of tubes and getting across London instead of changing at one station a bit daunting but I will try it you make it sound quite easy.

This website may give you an idea what to expect (there are pictures behind the camera icons), it starts at the underground entrance of Waterloo station concourse (having arrived from Bournemouth you turn immediately left after exiting the ticket barriers):

http://www.inclusivebritain.com/stationDiagram.aspx?tab=StationPlanRoute&did=0301-0024400_E2H&did1=0301-0024405%2b0301-0025029_H2P&did2=&cid=0301-1507118&cid1=0301-1507124&cid2=&fid=0301-0025040&eo=&xo=&lpid=4296&sr=Y&sh=Y&level=1&companyid=74452&company=Waterloo

lindiann

:o:o No escalators got a big fear of them

miller

It is possible to avoid them with this route via the Waterloo Road ticket hall (access via "top right" of the main concourse at Waterloo rather than turning left, as you cannot avoid them when going down from the other ticket hall):
http://www.inclusivebritain.com/stationDiagram.aspx?tab=StationPlanRoute&did=0301-0024430_E2H&did1=0301-0024423%2b0301-0026163_H2P&did2=0301-0024430_OUT&cid=0301-1507242&cid1=0301-1507229&cid2=0301-1507246&fid=0301-0025040&eo=&xo=TE&lpid=4296&sr=Y&sh=Y&level=1&companyid=74452&company=Waterloo

I am not sure though you can get out of Euston underground without using one set though. That website may be able to help.

Also (but watch the time you have available to make your connection) you can use the 59, 68 or 168 bus to get to Euston but you would have to pay £1.45 each way with either a contactless debit/credit card or Oyster:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/cdn/static/cms/documents/bus-route-maps/waterloo-310314.pdf
They leave from stop K which is here:
http://goo.gl/maps/UGJZK
walk round under the bridge via the Waterloo Bridge entrance (top left)
http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/SME/html/NRE_WAT/objectvalues/3322-0000083.html

Here's the rest of Waterloo with pictures to get your bearings:
http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/SME/html/NRE_WAT/plan.html

yorkie2

miller wrote: »

You must travel between the stations specified on an advance ticket with no break of journey except to change trains.

...and it is enforced:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1315587/Professor-slapped-155-railway-fine-getting-OFF-train-stop-early.html

It was not enforced correctly in that case. The Professor was not "fined", but was charged for a new Anytime ticket, which was incorrect.

In theory, the Train Companies can charge an excess fare, of the difference between the price paid and the price of the cheapest fare that would have been valid for the journey made.

In practice, in the circumstances described, the rail industry is committed to not charging any additional fare. This policy came into effect at the end of June 2014. This is detailed in the online "internal KnowledgeBase" (formerly known as The Manual, or FRPP), which is available to rail staff. A copy of the advance FAQs in PDF format is hosted on a website, however as I am involved in the website which hosts it, I can't provide a link. A Google search for Advance Fare FAQs will find the PDF document.

yorkie2

lindiann wrote: »

:o:o No escalators got a big fear of them

The deep "tube" lines do mostly have escalators, however you do not need to use tube lines for most cross-London journeys.

For Waterloo-Euston, as miller says you can take a bus. I would ensure you allow extra time between changes if doing this, as if the bus - unlike the tube - was delayed it could invalidate your journey. An hour and 20 minutes would be plenty.

Another alternative would be to take a train from Waterloo East, change at London Bridge and St Pancras, from where it's a 9-minute walk via Phoenix Road, to Euston.

And another would be to to take a train from Waterloo East, change at Charing Cross, walk to Embankment, and take a train along the Circle Line to Euston Square, a short walk from Euston. This is a full-sized train that runs just beneath the surface in 'cut and cover' tunnels, and is not actually a tube train.

The alternatives all take longer than a direct tube, but I personally would do anything necessary to avoid the overcrowded and overpriced CrossCountry trains!

Quentin

yorkie2 wrote: »

It was not enforced correctly in that case. The Professor was not "fined", but was charged for a new Anytime ticket, which was incorrect.

In theory, the Train Companies can charge an excess fare, of the difference between the price paid and the price of the cheapest fare that would have been valid for the journey made.
And what is the point of telling us about this
In practice, in the circumstances described, the rail industry is committed to not charging any additional fare. This policy came into effect at the end of June 2014. .

The prof was "fined" £155 according to the Mail. You calling it
not a fine is just more weasel words from a railway hector.


And what is the point you telling us about a policy (which you are not allowed to link to) which only came into effect this year when the prof was so badly treated in 2010?


You and your mates look to have had your fun over this stopped now and common sense has prevailed.

yorkie2

Quentin wrote: »

The prof was "fined" £155 according to the Mail. You calling it
not a fine is just more weasel words from a railway hector.

He was charged the cost of a new ticket (which was wrong). As that was a long distance, high-value journey, that ticket cost a lot of money.

If you believe that being asked to pay for a new ticket is a "fine", does that terminology apply to low value tickets too?

Quentin wrote: »

And what is the point you telling us about a policy (which you are not allowed to link to) which only came into effect this year when the prof was so badly treated in 2010?

Because people may read the post, follow the link, and believe that the charge would still apply.

Quentin wrote: »

You and your mates look to have had your fun over this stopped now and common sense has prevailed.

I have never advocated charging passengers for either a new ticket, or an excess fare, when starting and/or finishing short. It has always been my view that passengers should be allowed to do this without incurring any charges.

Quentin

yorkie2 wrote: »

He was charged the cost of a new ticket (which was wrong). As that was a long distance, high-value journey, that ticket cost a lot of money.

Which the Mail calls a fine. Most passengers (ie those who pay your wages) would refer to it as a fine/penalty which is what it was.


Why make an issue over the word used to describe the penalty imposed at the barrier because he alighted from the train one stop ahead of the station he had paid to travel to!

It's not hard to see why you aren't allowed to post links to your own forum here - dunno why you keep harping on about it! If you don't like the rules, don't join the club

yorkie2

Quentin wrote: »

Which the Mail calls a fine. Most passengers (ie those who pay your wages) would refer to it as a fine/penalty which is what it was.

I don't know why you believe I am employed in the rail industry, nor why you think passengers pay employees wages, but it wasn't a fine. As I said earlier, it was a new ticket, which could cost anything from around £10 to £200, depending on the journey made.

It's not clear whether you're suggesting that any time a new ticket is charged, you believe it should be called a "fine", or if the term "fine" should only be used for more expensive tickets?

Quentin wrote: »

Why make an issue over the word used to describe the penalty imposed at the barrier because he alighted from the train one stop ahead of the station he had paid to travel to!

He was charged a full "Anytime" fare.

Passengers can be issued with a fine, but only if the matter goes to court, and if the court agrees that the passenger has committed a criminal offence. If that was to happen, the fine would be significantly higher than £155. It would obviously not be applicable to a passenger getting off a stop early.

Quentin wrote: »

It's not hard to see why you aren't allowed to post links to your own forum here - dunno why you keep harping on about it! If you don't like the rules, don't join the club

I'm adhering to the rules. I am simply explaining where, if anyone wants to read the rail industry's authoritative and current policy regarding Advance Fares, they can find that information.