My solar PV first year payback calculation

daytona600_2

solar supplier yes
honest good value solar products yes
just pointing out at £ 7/8 grand for small system
there are some companies out there that see energy products
as a cash cow
could supply fully warranted high quality systems for

a- half the price
b- double the capacity for same price

i buy in bulk direct from factories and pass on the savings

i thought this was the idea of a site called
moneysaving

scott



d

Cardew wrote: »

5 posts all from some solar salesman it would appear.?

daytona600_2

2.1kw system complete on-grid system
with 12 x 185watt panels
roof mounting system
2.8kw on grid inverter 240v 50hz G83/1
with cables , export meter , circuit breakers , surge/overvoltage protection etc
ac and dc disconnect switches ready to install and connect to grid

certified to MCS and low carbon buildings for uk grants
to £ 2500 uk - £ 4000 scotland

pv modules 5 years warranty with 25 years guarantee
inverter 5 years warranty - can extend to 20 years

£ 6,999 + vat , free uk delivery
grant should cover standard installation
uk wide MCS certified installation

for your quote of £ 9800 to £ 10,300
3.5kw 20 panel system with 3.6kw inverter & roof mountings
and all switchgear/cables/meters

or 2kw system with ground or roof mounted
fully automated dual-axis suntracker for £8,999
will increase outputs by 35 to 45% compared to fixed roof system

3.5/3.68kw 16a is generally max single phase G83/1 connection

check with your dno or supplier

pv micro to 10,000kw
full on grid systems from £ 795.00

scott 01698 884288

albyota wrote: »

If it interests anybody, las night I actually applied for and was successful for my LCBP grant of £2,500 for Solar PV, it expires on 10/01/2010, I also called two companies to get quotes over the phone for 2kW installation grid connection, one was £9,800 + 5% Vat other was £10,300, the difference in price was the distance first company was 12 miles away second one is 100 miles away. the expensive bits are the panels at about £430 each (11 x 185W required for 2kW), the framework brackets about £300, the electronic inverter costs £1,250, the cables aren't that expensive but have allowed £100, but the scaffold can cost anything between £500 and £1,200 (say £750) and the the labour on top probably £900. the grid connection 2 way meter costs between £45 and £75. plus company markup at about 20% so roughly £9,726 + 5% Vat = £10,213 minus the £2,500 would be £7,712 it seems prices vary quite a bit as to get their MCS accreditation cost a fair amount, so would still be trying to recover this from the early adopters, I'm still undecided as I would need to finance this, and as the mathemeticians all say there are better ways to get ROI, I may have to wait till the price comes down a bit! I shall continue to get quotes, to check out the market competition in a downturn.

BFG_2

so how many years/decades before it hits breakeven [

there's a spreadsheet somewhere on here that does the calcs for you; but then being a responsible businessman you'll already have these figs to hand and be telling people before they buy...errrr, won't you??

Cardew

daytona600 wrote: »

solar supplier yes
honest good value solar products yes
just pointing out at £ 7/8 grand for small system
there are some companies out there that see energy products
as a cash cow
could supply fully warranted high quality systems for

a- half the price
b- double the capacity for same price

i buy in bulk direct from factories and pass on the savings

i thought this was the idea of a site called
moneysaving

scott



d

Money saving - yes.

Not somewhere for you to peddle your wares.

No form of Solar is money saving - period!!!!

daytona600_2

what are we supposed to use for power
solar , wind , tidal , biomass , fuel cells etc
or
nuclear , coal , oil , gas

why are there 1000s of solar parks being built around the world
mainly financed by banks
they would only invest if they can see a return
what cost is electricity in 25 years time
the uk average household energy bill on tonights news
by ofgem figures is £ 1200

also 2 billion people are not connected to the grid
solar/wind is there only hope for the future

Cardew wrote: »

Money saving - yes.

Not somewhere for you to peddle your wares.

No form of Solar is money saving - period!!!!

Cardew

daytona600 wrote: »

what are we supposed to use for power
solar , wind , tidal , biomass , fuel cells etc
or
nuclear , coal , oil , gas

why are there 1000s of solar parks being built around the world
mainly financed by banks
they would only invest if they can see a return
what cost is electricity in 25 years time
the uk average household energy bill on tonights news
by ofgem figures is £ 1200

also 2 billion people are not connected to the grid
solar/wind is there only hope for the future

This is a money saving website for the readers(not money making for you to peddle your wares - especially something like solar)

Solar has a future in tropical climates where it might be used to run air conditioning.

Large scale Solar only exists commercially beacause it is subsidised.

In UK even with huge subsidies for future home solar PV systems it is very doubtful IMO whether you will break even in 20 years.

You have come to the wrong forum if you think you can spout rubbish and not be challenged.

BFG_2

Daytona, the forums you're looking for are at the following website addresses....

OAPS2bescammed.co.uk

moremoneythansense.co.uk

richhippies.co.uk

PoliticianslookingforPRstories.co.uk

greenevenifitsstupid.co.uk

gullible.co.uk

tooembarassedtoaskquestions.co.uk

badwithsimplemaths.co.uk

stupidandgreen.co.uk

and finally

easilybulliedbylyingscammingthievingsolarsalesmenscumbags.co.uk

HTH

daytona600_2

was at world pv show in hamburg this week
announced uk first solar park
2.5Mw - 2500kw to be built next year
by electricity supplier

small by world standards

80mw system just opened in germany
560,000 solar panels , 400 football fields
cost 160 million euros
will generate 16.9m per year
under 10years payback operate for 30/40 years

have 9 acres on land in scotland
waiting on planning permission to construct 100kw system
best long term investment anywhere
have most of the funding
but if anybody is intersted in long term investment let me know

BFG wrote: »

Daytona, the forums you're looking for are at the following website addresses....

OAPS2bescammed.co.uk

moremoneythansense.co.uk

richhippies.co.uk

PoliticianslookingforPRstories.co.uk

greenevenifitsstupid.co.uk

gullible.co.uk

tooembarassedtoaskquestions.co.uk

badwithsimplemaths.co.uk

stupidandgreen.co.uk

and finally

easilybulliedbylyingscammingthievingsolarsalesmenscumbags.co.uk

HTH

BFG_2

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stevehead

For me, this PV install has delivered the answer to a question I have wanted to know: How big a solar array do I need to heat my house?
The answer... 2 of these!
I have posted on MSE earlier this year about my use of 2 Mitsubishi ASHP's to heat my home - replacing old GSH.
I logged my exact use of KWh to run the 2 Heat Pumps from December to June. This came to 1152KWh.
(Summary: 3 bed 1960's end terrace / SW UK / 2 adults part time and work from home + 2 kids / Mains Gas for DHW & cooking / indoor temp kept at 22-24)
This PV array of Mcfi5dhc's generated 1186KWh in a year, pretty much 1/2 of what I require.
Maybe a bit less, perhaps a 2Kw array as I live a long way south of Scotland, and I'm undertaking more insulation work on the house this year.

Just had a quick look on ebay.
9 X 220w (1980w) PV Panels costs £4400 inc vat and delivery. Add the 4 Grid Tied 550w Inverters @ £1,600 comes to £6,000. Bosh bosh on the garage roof, and job's a good 'un!