What 5 seater Car/MPV would you recommend?

Pennylane

sillygoose wrote: »

Theres always one! just as there is one lucky person who's parachute fails but still survives! The overwhelming evidence is that French cars are poor, most are rubbish, I don't need to justify that as anyone can use google.

Still want to argue? show me a French car that has the residual value of a tin of beans a year after its sold - I cannot even lease one on our company scheme -the anticipated repair costs and worthless used value added into the lease make it hugely too expensive!

Rubbish cars wouldn't be so bad if it were not for the appalling service from the dealerships, I have been treated with more respect by riot police than the Renault service desk, presumably years and years of endless warranty repair complaints from upset customers has numbed them.

In all my years of owning cars, the one that we lost the most money on was the Kia Sportage. They depreciate rapidly and they really are not very popular. Personally makes don't bother me too much .... and I like to think I'm brave enough to try cars that other people won't because they don't have a certain "badge". Like the Ssang Yong we had, that was very odd-looking but it was superbly comfy, had every gadget going and never let us down while we had it. But complete strangers would come up to me and say "what IS that? How can you drive that?" Likewise when I bought a PT cruiser, people would say it looked like a hearse or a gangsters car. I used to say "OMG you are so original. Never heard that one before.":rolleyes:

hewhoisnotintheknow

sillygoose wrote: »

Theres always one! just as there is one lucky person who's parachute fails but still survives! The overwhelming evidence is that French cars are poor, most are rubbish, I don't need to justify that as anyone can use google.

Still want to argue? show me a French car that has the residual value of a tin of beans a year after its sold - I cannot even lease one on our company scheme -the anticipated repair costs and worthless used value added into the lease make it hugely too expensive!

Rubbish cars wouldn't be so bad if it were not for the appalling service from the dealerships, I have been treated with more respect by riot police than the Renault service desk, presumably years and years of endless warranty repair complaints from upset customers has numbed them.

people seem to blank the fact that pug and cit do better than audi vw merc bmw etc in reliability tables

dealerships are franchises so don't really have much to do with the manufacturer

sillygoose

hewhoisnotintheknow wrote: »

people seem to blank the fact that pug and cit do better than audi vw merc bmw etc in reliability tables

dealerships are franchises so don't really have much to do with the manufacturer

Perhaps if you believe all in tables made up from people who can be bothered to fill in magazine surveys - very accurate? But if you want to talk fact, how about results compiled by company fleet managers?
http://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/story/FN50-BMW-tops-881000-vehicle-reliability-survey/48642

How many French cars in positions above audi vw merc bmw ? sorry! but this is reality.

Dealerships are franchises but so what? I guess French manufacturers are less fussy who they give franchises too because I have not used ONE that was any good.

sillygoose

Pennylane wrote: »

In all my years of owning cars, the one that we lost the most money on was the Kia Sportage. They depreciate rapidly and they really are not very popular.:rolleyes:

OK I will bite the bait... if you bought a new one then I am not surprised. I bought a preregistered one that had done only 12 miles at a ludicrously low price. After 2 years the small car loan is fully paid off and the car is still like new. I will probably keep it another 3 years as all it costs is servicing and diesel after which I will have had more than my moneys worth whatever it sells for.

The fact you bought a PT Cruiser (and admit it on a public forum) tells us all we need to know :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

MrSmartprice

sillygoose wrote: »

Theres always one! just as there is one lucky person who's parachute fails but still survives! The overwhelming evidence is that French cars are poor, most are rubbish, I don't need to justify that as anyone can use google.

Still want to argue? show me a French car that has the residual value of a tin of beans a year after its sold - I cannot even lease one on our company scheme -the anticipated repair costs and worthless used value added into the lease make it hugely too expensive!

Rubbish cars wouldn't be so bad if it were not for the appalling service from the dealerships, I have been treated with more respect by riot police than the Renault service desk, presumably years and years of endless warranty repair complaints from upset customers has numbed them.

Rarely have I read such drivel about cars. Between myself and OH, my daughter, FIL and a couple we know well, we have had a total of 22 or 23 Citroens. None have been any problem whatsoever and the only outlay on any has been servicing and consumables. That is a reasonably large sample and has shown excellent reliability. They are far better quality than many other cars on the market, especially considering cost. For instance, Ford are far inferior and I would never buy another.

Dealerships can vary within any marque. Mercedes, for instance, are notoriously poor, and that was confirmed when OH had a Smart which are part of the Mercedes network. Citroen dealers vary from the poor to the pretty good, even within 10 miles of where I live. I have never owned a Renault so cannot comment on them. But to lump them in with Citroen makes no sense at all.

Perhaps you are best sticking to your Rover!:rotfl:

goldspanners

MrSmartprice wrote: »

Rarely have I read such drivel about cars. Between myself and OH, my daughter, FIL and a couple we know well, we have had a total of 22 or 23 Citroens. None have been any problem whatsoever and the only outlay on any has been servicing and consumables. That is a reasonably large sample and has shown excellent reliability. They are far better quality than many other cars on the market, especially considering cost. For instance, Ford are far inferior and I would never buy another.

Dealerships can vary within any marque. Mercedes, for instance, are notoriously poor, and that was confirmed when OH had a Smart which are part of the Mercedes network. Citroen dealers vary from the poor to the pretty good, even within 10 miles of where I live. I have never owned a Renault so cannot comment on them. But to lump them in with Citroen makes no sense at all.

Perhaps you are best sticking to your Rover!:rotfl:

you don't live in fear of repeating yourself do you?

do you work for citroen?

MrSmartprice

goldspanners wrote: »

you don't live in fear of repeating yourself do you?

do you work for citroen?

Nope! Just countering the drivel from a bigoted poster. I have no reason to distort the facts. Over the 38 years I have owned cars, I've had various makes. I used to swear by VW years ago, but had a duff one. I did 150,000 miles in a diesel Ford Escort in the 80s with no problems, but one I had in the 90s was rubbish. And I had a good experience with a Volvo once upon a time.

Cars to me are something to get me around without worrying about reliability and so on. Nothing more or less. I eventually found a reliable make and stuck with it. Why is that so strange?

sillygoose

MrSmartprice wrote: »

Nope! Just countering the drivel from a bigoted poster. I have no reason to distort the facts.

Hmmm bigoted? because I prefer to believe the official data compiled by the fleet industry on 880,000 vehicles compared to some unknown Citroen evangelist on some forum who claims to have owned most of the Citroen factories output in the last century!

No you don't need to distort the facts - you don't have any to distort!

blue_monkey_2

:rotfl:

Ladies, put your handbags down and take a step back.

My husband also told me he would never own a French Car, a German Car, BMW, Porsche, etc.... The list is endless, he reckons he would give it away if he was given one!! I'd love to win one to see if that is true, mind.

However, we did once have a Peugeot which lasted a few weeks before it broken down, his brother had a Gold that caught fire while they were driving along the dual carriageway. Don't even get me started on how bad this company van is - yep, it's a peugeot. Many a night have I [STRIKE]ignored[/STRIKE] carefully listened to him ranting on about just how carp it has been that day and just what is wrong with it now.

AdrianHi

All reliability surveys have some kind of limitation or biased view point.
This one
http://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/story/FN50-BMW-tops-881000-vehicle-reliability-survey/48642
from fleet news is limited by the fact that it's only looking at the lease period, usually the first 3 years of the cars life.
JD powers - limited by measuring against customer expectations. The person buying a Skoda has different expectations to a Mercedes or BMW buyer so the playing field is not level.
http://www.reliabilityindex.co.uk/top10.html measures realibility against how much you spend in reapirs. Porsche is bottom of the chart, is it unreliable? Not particularily, it's just very expensive to fix when it does go wrong.

Pleasing that my car has topped the fleet news survey, but I strongly suspect if you did another survey of years 4 to 6 of cars lives the BMW would slip down the chart with the Japanese cars taking top slot again. Many a BMW owner observes that everything about the cars early service schedule and design is orientated to making the first 3 years and 36,000 miles as cheap and pain free as possible, some suspect at the expense of long term durability, maintenance costs shifted later in the cars life. Suspicion baased on forums like this rather than fact except for how the service intervals shape up.
French cars in my aquaintance have had mixed results ranging from trouble free to new major components required including gearboxes.
In the end the margin between most cars in these surveys is quite small, they are all pretty good these days and more important factors become, how complex is the car in the first place is it serviced properly and do you get a decent customer service when problems arise and servicing is needed?