redundant job

pumplekin

Hello,

Another "long term lurker never posted" member - hope you can give me some advice.

I have been advised informally that my job is going to become redundant by my line manager. The job will actually still exist but will no longer be part time as I do it but is becoming a full time position. I have been told I can apply for the 'new job'.

Can anybody shed some light on the legalities of this?

many thanks

getmore4less

Aside from the legal side do you want the full time version of the job? This can change the way you approach the situation.

They can change the role from part time to full time and not have you automaticaly put in the role allthough this is a sensible first option to look at.

If the alternative option is to look at redundancy then they should consult, there may be other options to a full time role, like a job share.

I always thing it is a good idea to decide what you want when these situations come up and consider that as the main goal(also helps to tell people so they can give options that fit)

jazzyman01

The first post to you was very sensible.

If you are managing to do the job alright, why are they looking to make it full time? What additional tasks are there?

That aside, if you really cannot or do not want to do the full time job, consider what changes you can make regarding your hours. Also review your current tasks. Job share is a good alternative and if you can put forward proposals on how the job can be split so that there is a seamless interaction then your company may go for it. Sell it on the grounds that you can each cover in the absence of the other (this will require you to work full time for holiday cover and possibly sickness).

pumplekin

To be honest I am not sure if I want to work full time, I am giving it some thought and looking at the options including job share but the hours I currently do don't lend themselves easily to a job share and would need to be changed giving me some childcare issues, it is likely that I would lose hours and on top of that have to pay for childcare. A friend had said that if they make my job redundant then they cannot advertise a similar one for a year. Would this apply here, and if there has to be a consultion are there specific timescales for it? All that has happened so far is an informal conversation. I have been given no details of the new job so don't know exactly what the changes will be, other than it possibly changing from 25 hours a week to full time.

jazzyman01

Ask them what the additional jobs are - perfectly reasonable.

Your friend is, I am afraid, quite wrong. If they can show a good business case to take the job to full time, and you do not wish to have either the full time or job share role then your role can be redundant and they can replace immediately.

If your role is the only one affected then there is no consultation timescale, this kicks in when 20 or more are affected. However, you must still have a meeting and the opportunity to ask questions in order to safe guard your role.

pumplekin

Been away giving this some thought!

It affects more than one but less than 20 people.

I have decided I cannot work full time at the moment, in a couple of years time this is likely to change as my children will be older and able to get themselves home from school and stay on their own for a couple of hours.

I am therefore going to propose a jobshare, this will mean that I am likely to lose a few hours a week to make the other job have a decent amount of hours which I can just about cope with financially (this is my view as opposed to my employer as I haven't spoken to them yet)

Only problem is that I cannot start as early as they would like - it will be half an hour later due to not being able to drop the children any earlier at breakfast club. I don't want to go down the route of trying to drop them off at somebody else's house as I want systems in place that won't let me down or I will be totally stuck. I cannot see the half hour being a problem at all as providing the communication is good the day before. I can't do the afternoon shift because of the childcare costs.

So, if I am doing my best to accomodate their wishes do they also have a duty to show some flexibility (eg give it a trial period to see what a difference the half hour will really make) or if I cannot do the hours they are specifying can they make me redundant

LinasPilibaitisisbatman

You can but ask but they have no obligation to accomodate you if you cannot do the FT job and there are business reasons for the job being FT.

A few things to consider.

2 employees will cost more, how easy is it to split the work, holiday cover etc, legislation.

You need to make your proposition and see how they react however you need to remember that the other part of the job needs to attract someone.

Is it likely too?

Uncertain

pumplekin wrote: »

Hello,

Another "long term lurker never posted" member - hope you can give me some advice.

I have been advised informally that my job is going to become redundant by my line manager. The job will actually still exist but will no longer be part time as I do it but is becoming a full time position. I have been told I can apply for the 'new job'.

Can anybody shed some light on the legalities of this?

many thanks

I cannot see how this makes your post redundant. What the firm are saying is that they need more, not less, of whatever you do.

Fine they can advertise for another person in addition to you but that does not make you redundant.

Unless your contract if for more hours than you currently do I can't see that they can make you increase your hours, let alone apply for a "new" job.

OK, if you want to reduce or change your current hours they don't have to agree (unless your contract says so). I would take some professional advice on this before agreeing to anything.

LinasPilibaitisisbatman

Uncertain wrote: »

I cannot see how this makes your post redundant. What the firm are saying is that they need more, not less, of whatever you do.

Fine they can advertise for another person in addition to you but that does not make you redundant.

Unless your contract if for more hours than you currently do I can't see that they can make you increase your hours, let alone apply for a "new" job.

OK, if you want to reduce or change your current hours they don't have to agree (unless your contract says so). I would take some professional advice on this before agreeing to anything.

The job is redundant as its being replaced with an enhanced post with more duties. As long as the organisation can show business reasoning for this they are pefectly entitled to make the OP redundant and recruit a FT person.

The offer of a job share or to increase the hours is more than required.

Emmzi

bear in mind there is a far more limited pool of people wanting afternoon early work as by far the majority of p/t workers in the uk are working parents like yourself.

Would mon - wed lunchtime be an option? In my experience it'd be much easier to get a wed pm - fri person... just a thought!

pumplekin

LinasPilibaitisisbatman wrote: »

You can but ask but they have no obligation to accomodate you if you cannot do the FT job and there are business reasons for the job being FT.

A few things to consider.

2 employees will cost more, how easy is it to split the work, holiday cover etc, legislation.

You need to make your proposition and see how they react however you need to remember that the other part of the job needs to attract someone.

Is it likely too?

The hours will be the same as one full time person, it is a term time only plus 2 weeks position so holidays don't apply. They have suggested a job share would be acceptable so they must think that it will be possible to recruit the other half.