Re nationalisation of the East Coast rail

robt_2

Jamp wrote: »

I hope this won't mean the end of the NXEC booking engine as it seems far better for easiliy routing out cheap fares than the others.

It won't be, that booking engine went live before NXEC took over from GNER anyway. Don't other companies use that engine too?

sturll

FARE-COP wrote: »

I shall not say that re-nationalisation might not be a good idea, because I believe that it may, but can we de-bunk this myth yet again that you can quote like for like between rail and air fares please.

Does the plane you're on land right in the centre of London??

OK, there are flights into City airport, but realistically - air travel is very rarely city centre to city centre is it?

Rail travel almost always is and those journeys from airport to city are not free, nor do they not take further time.

This might seem flippant to some, but finally, if I'm travelling from London to Edinburgh, I might be a bit annoyed because I've been inconvenienced, but don't mind changing trains at York because of a mechanical failure, although I'm not sure I'd be happy about dealing with the same thing at 10,000 feet.

All of our lives is about making choices.

What about if time is money?

If i fly into Heathrow i do exactly the same as if i get the train into Kings Cross - I get the underground.

I can fly to London and back with a day from anywhere in the British isles and still get home for my dinner after a 2 hour meeting and Lunch in the Big Smoke.

Still, if you would rather sit for 4 hours (or whatever it is) from London to Edinburgh then that's fine. Ill be there in an hour or so.

Your comments about mechanical failure are ironic really, particularly since there hasn't been a fatality on the entire Domestic or indeed International network of any British airline since the 1980's. (Due to accident)
There have been multiple fatalities on the British Rail Network within the time since the 1980's.

It is obviously safer to fly.

Hintza

sturll wrote: »

Still, if you would rather sit for 4 hours (or whatever it is) from London to Edinburgh then that's fine. Ill be there in an hour or so.

But you won't. Obviously depends on where you are actually going but city centre to city centre should work out faster and much less hassle on the train. But if you are travelling from outside the cities then the plane would probably be my first choice.

I booked a ticket for my son yestrday Norwich to Glasgow on the train. He is not impressed and wanted to fly but since flybe only fly direct to Edinburgh now and i'm in the West he was onto plums. But when flybe flew to Glasgow it was an absolute godsend, normally cheaper than the train and on that route much faster.

robt_2

sturll wrote: »

What about if time is money?

If i fly into Heathrow i do exactly the same as if i get the train into Kings Cross - I get the underground.

If time is money, why on earth would you get the underground to central London when the Heathrow Express takes a third of the time?

I can fly to London and back with a day from anywhere in the British isles and still get home for my dinner after a 2 hour meeting and Lunch in the Big Smoke.

No you can't! Only if you are near an airport which serves London!

Still, if you would rather sit for 4 hours (or whatever it is) from London to Edinburgh then that's fine. Ill be there in an hour or so.

I don't think you can comprehend that other people have different needs to you. If 'time is money' then you can work for four hours on the train. You wouldn't get much done on a laptop on a cramped plane.

Your comments about mechanical failure are ironic really, particularly since there hasn't been a fatality on the entire Domestic or indeed International network of any British airline since the 1980's. (Due to accident)
There have been multiple fatalities on the British Rail Network within the time since the 1980's.

It is obviously safer to fly.

Firstly, you are wrong. The following is excluding foreign cariers.

1983 - A BA helicopter crashes killing 20.
1985 - A British Airtours flight engine catches fire on takeoff killing 53
1986 - A British International Helicopter crashed killing 45

Now, lets look at rail, once again, excluding terrorist activity.

December 1981 - 4 killed
July 1984 - 13 killed
October 1984 - 3 killed
December 1984 - 3 killed
July 1986 - 9 killed
September 1986 - 1 killed
October 1987 - 4 killed***
November 1988 - 1 killed
December 1988 - 35
March 1989 - 7 killed
August 1990 - 1 killed
Jaunary 1991 - 2 killed
July 1991 - 4 killed
November 1992 - 1 killed
October 1994 - 5 killed
January 1995 - 1 killed***
March 1996 - 1 killed
August 1996 - 1 killed
September 1997 - 6 killed
October 1999 - 31 killed
October 2000 - 4 killed
May 2002 - 2 killed
November 2004 - 7 killed
Feb 2007- 1 killed

*** Natural diasters

I make rail 142 against airs 118 which ONLY includes British carriers, not foreign carriers operating out of British airports. Therefore, that excludes 270 air deaths at Lockerbie.

Add on foreign carriers operating from British airports (still excluding Lockerbie) and air has many more deaths than rail.

Now think about how many more rail services run each day in the UK compared to how many flights there are. I will start you off - My local rail company operates just under 2,500 services per DAY.

So, my question to you is are you still sticking by the statement of "It is obviously safer to fly"?

robt_2

sturll wrote: »

Its when i read posts like the one you just wrote Rob that i feel sorry for people like yourself. And i genuinely mean that

Any post that starts like that isn't worth reading, so I didn't. I will just assume that it is full of petty insults to try and make you look clever and me stupid when in reality to anyone else it makes you look stupid for being do agressive with your opinion.

rev_henry

Do you people honestly have nothing better to do on this warm sunny afternoon other than bickering with complete strangers in front of your computers?

sturll

rev_henry wrote: »

Do you people honestly have nothing better to do on this warm sunny afternoon other than bickering with complete strangers in front of your computers?

Speak for yourself mate, im on the sun lounger in the garden

But you're right.


Lets all just make love not war..... (females only though)

:beer:

lorweld

rev_henry

sturll wrote: »

Speak for yourself mate, im on the sun lounger in the garden

But you're right.


Lets all just make love not war..... (females only though)

:beer:

Damn you with your fancy wifi laptop! Not that I'm using one as well.

robt_2

rev_henry wrote: »

Do you people honestly have nothing better to do on this warm sunny afternoon other than bickering with complete strangers in front of your computers?

Not until later... but at least I'm getting paid for sitting here :D