Getting rid of an unwelcome lodger

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Superdad wrote: »

About three months ago he was persuaded by some friends to allow someone to stay with him on a so-called temporary basis while he found somewhere more permanent to live.

There's the killer line right there. These friends need to have huge amounts of pressure exerted straight back at them to sort this situation out NOW.

ABH_3

I don't understand this:

Pinkshoes: He's a lodger, lodgers have no rights

ChrisCobra: He is a lodger and has no rights there or a contract.

are you two Landlords or what? Where do you get your knowledge from?

Tozer

ABH wrote: »

I don't understand this:

are you two Landlords or what? Where do you get your knowledge from?

This guy is a bare licensee. He has no rights. His licence to occupy can be ended at any time and then he can be turfed out.

Idiophreak

ABH wrote: »

are you two Landlords or what?

That's just the point though, the old gent isn't a landlord...

ABH_3

First, you don't need to quote everything, the thread is unnecessarily long now you've quoted my whole post. Just 'snip' or 'cut' but Remove anything unnecessary and only leave the bit you're questioning me about - makes for a tidy thread don't ya know

4743hudsonj wrote: »

how would the lodger proved he contributed?

I asked a similar question, the reply I got:

a) I'm 'protecting' the girlfriend from the wrath of the father.

b) I'll try to get accross as best I can the exact words; 'fxxx man, well I'm there aren' I? ... If I wasn there I obviously wudna be whats that word ya used: c.o.n.tra-butin? you fink he would have me in the 'ouse?'.... fxxx off man... I do fings man, you ask him.... 'oi you old fxxxxx tell 'em, tell 'em what I do. He knowz, just dunt want you fxxxxxxz around is all.

ABH_3

Tozer wrote: »

This guy is a bare licensee. He has no rights. His licence to occupy can be ended at any time and then he can be turfed out.

I think you'll find that that's not exactly true, not when that area is his residence.

Also 'bare licensee' are you sure he wouldn't be considered a Contractual Licensee, afterall they reached an agreement either between the individual or a representative. As such wouldn't the license come with some kind of express\implied permission to come and go in exchange for something ... can't remember the term used now. I'll edit this when it comes to me, though I think it's consideration.

pinkshoes

ABH wrote: »

I think you'll find that that's not exactly true, not when that area is his residence.

Also 'bare licensee' are you sure he wouldn't be considered a Contractual Licensee, afterall they reached an agreement either between the individual or a representative. As such wouldn't the license come with some kind of express\implied permission to come and go in exchange for something ... can't remember the term used now. I'll edit this when it comes to me, though I think it's consideration.

Are you thinking of common law tenant rights?

Tozer

ABH wrote: »

I think you'll find that that's not exactly true, not when that area is his residence.

Also 'bare licensee' are you sure he wouldn't be considered a Contractual Licensee, afterall they reached an agreement either between the individual or a representative. As such wouldn't the license come with some kind of express\implied permission to come and go in exchange for something ... can't remember the term used now. I'll edit this when it comes to me, though I think it's consideration.

There is no consideration provided by the "lodger" hence he could not benefit from a contractual licence. Even if he was, it could be terminated on reasonable notice.

It is not his residence - he was permitted to stay there.

Volcano

ABH wrote: »

Your FIL's 'aggression' could go against him, the 'lodger' could conceivably have your FIL ejected from his own property, and the Police will do this.........Also be aware he will need a bolt hole if this all gets 'ugly' which it will as soon as he gives 'the lodger' the letter.

What Hollywood film does this sound like? 'Pacific Heights' anyone?



Given that: "He (the lodger) keeps making excuses like he needs to find a job before he can find somewhere to live." the guy's far more likely to be an unemployed sponger than he is an adept legal whizz, full of guile and cunning.

Wait until he goes out, dump his stuff outside and change the locks. If he wants to sue your FIL later, then let him. (Though the minor issue of homelessness will doubtless keep him occupied with more important matters!)

Ivrytwr3

jeez, the OP will no doubt be confused over the amount of conflicting advice given. My take on the situation is the guy has NO rights whatsoever and can be asked to leave immediately, if not the police are called and he is forcibly removed.

However, all that said, to get the CORRECT advice, contact the CAB and see what they say.