Help appreciated.

ShugMonkey

Hi,

I have just been told my job is being made redundant due to having too many staff.
There are 7 of us working in the department 2 Principles, and 5 Senior enginners. We've all been told we're at risk.

The new positions are to be 5 Senior Engineers. Thus, 2 redundancies.

Presently our wages are all different, ranging from 22k to 30k per annum.
The new positions will all be paid the same (we haven't been told what yet).
Assuming the new jobs pay less than 25k, does someone being made redundant from a 30k position, and taking a 25k position recieve redundancy money?

Thanks

SM

DCodd

ShugMonkey wrote: »

Hi,

I have just been told my job is being made redundant due to having too many staff.
There are 7 of us working in the department 2 Principles, and 5 Senior enginners. We've all been told we're at risk.

The new positions are to be 5 Senior Engineers. Thus, 2 redundancies.

Presently our wages are all different, ranging from 22k to 30k per annum.
The new positions will all be paid the same (we haven't been told what yet).
Assuming the new jobs pay less than 25k, does someone being made redundant from a 30k position, and taking a 25k position recieve redundancy money?

Thanks

SM

that would depend on how they do it.

if they say your position is no longer available and ask you to accept the new job and you do, then you have agreed to the change in the terms and conditions, however if it is just a terms and conditions change then they need your permission to change them.

If they are making you redundant and asking you to reapply for the job then your redundancy payment would be worked out on your current Salary but your new job would not carry the length of service or other benefits from your previous position as it is new employment.

As always if you are concerned check with ACAS.

MadDogWoman_2

What happened in my case was that I was put at risk of redundancy, had to reapply for my job, and was told on being told what my new role would be what the wages were (2.5K down), not happy.

Agreed to pay me shift pay if flexible with my hours (24 hour operation). Which put me almost back to where I was.

This was also put us the whole team on the same level, despite me being the only properly qualified person.

MDW

DCodd

MadDogWoman wrote: »

What happened in my case was that I was put at risk of redundancy, had to reapply for my job, and was told on being told what my new role would be what the wages were (2.5K down), not happy.

Agreed to pay me shift pay if flexible with my hours (24 hour operation). Which put me almost back to where I was.

This was also put us the whole team on the same level, despite me being the only properly qualified person.

MDW

Did they pay you redundancy?

getmore4less

ShugMonkey wrote: »

Hi,

I have just been told my job is being made redundant due to having too many staff.
There are 7 of us working in the department 2 Principles, and 5 Senior enginners. We've all been told we're at risk.

The new positions are to be 5 Senior Engineers. Thus, 2 redundancies.

Presently our wages are all different, ranging from 22k to 30k per annum.
The new positions will all be paid the same (we haven't been told what yet).
Assuming the new jobs pay less than 25k, does someone being made redundant from a 30k position, and taking a 25k position recieve redundancy money?

Thanks

SM

You can't have the redundancy and a job.

If the job pays less than you are currently paid then you have the option to refuse on the grounds of not being suitable, but the company could argue that if is only a bit so is suitable and make those people accept.

Asking people to apply for the 5 jobs is risky since they may get less than 5 applying and have to choose people.
Could be a way to get them to up the pay if you all refuse to apply.

If you take a roll it counts as continuous employment for future redundancies but at the new pay rate.

DCodd

getmore4less wrote: »

You can't have the redundancy and a job.

If the job pays less than you are currently paid then you have the option to refuse on the grounds of not being suitable, but the company could argue that if is only a bit so is suitable and make those people accept.

Asking people to apply for the 5 jobs is risky since they may get less than 5 applying and have to choose people.
Could be a way to get them to up the pay if you all refuse to apply.

If you take a roll it counts as continuous employment for future redundancies but at the new pay rate.

Unless they all refuse the change then the Company can make them redundant and offer the new job as a new employment contract with new T&C's.

getmore4less

DCodd wrote: »

Unless they all refuse the change then the Company can make them redundant and offer the new job as a new employment contract with new T&C's.

Reemploy without a break of at least a week and there is automatic continuity of employment. Usefull if an employer tries this trick and is unaware.

Change of contract or T&C's does not create a discontinuity of employment.

If reemployed quickly the tax man can take an interest into any tax free redundancy payment and decide to tax it, still looking for details for when they will show an interest.

DCodd

getmore4less wrote: »

Reemploy without a break of at least a week and there is automatic continuity of employment. Usefull if an employer tries this trick and is unaware.

Change of contract or T&C's does not create a discontinuity of employment.

If reemployed quickly the tax man can take an interest into any tax free redundancy payment and decide to tax it, still looking for details for when they will show an interest.

As long as there is a notice period they can sack you and make you reapply for your position, redundancy could be payable in those circumstances.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/Employees/EmploymentContractsAndConditions/DG_10037116

ShugMonkey

Thanks.

Having spoken to HR again today they do not seem clear on what they told us yesterday.
They are saying that if the wages are significantly reduced they have to make you redundant and re-employ you, otherwise employers could keep reducing staff wages whenever they want to.
What we still haven't been told is what significant means.