'Should we withdraw from Europe?' poll discussion

YANA

I to enjoyed chris_yo's post and much of what he/she says is a literal, if at times twisted truth. However, non of his/her points are all that relevant, for instead of looking to the past, we must look forward and deal with the situation we find ourselves in now.
Chris helpfully destroys the argument for increased union by pointing out that we and other countries have to comply with EU regulations to trade, whether in or out of the behemoth. Yes, OK that's fine, but we would only have to comply with our regulations if dealing nationally. Since most small business is on a national level this would be a major benefit to many and a loss to non.
I am sick to death of having to lobby our MEP about "this" proposal and "that" regulation just to carry on doing what we do. For instance, why the hell ban a colour paint if the primer and lacquer are made of the same material, especially when less colour is used than the primer anyway. This and many similar instances, force many businesses to break the law or spend money that isn't available just to continue. A battle that has gone on for years thanks to the EU.
So much of our legislative time is spent on circumnavigating many of these ludicrous regulations and directives it boarders on disbelief.
For those of us struggling in the real world, you can see the cost and damage that many of these EC directives are doing on a daily basis. There are thousands of small regulations that have to be met whether producing food stuffs, an engine or a button or a...
I am all for the Common Market - Making trade easier and cheaper is a big must, but the EU, as it has become (without the peoples consent), does the opposite.
Sadly it is becoming nothing more than a gravy train and an ego boost for those in power, the MEPs and the lawyers of the member states.
Finally, with my mind whirring of the inequities of EU life and after reading about the potential loss of free prescriptions in wales, it occurred to me that eighteen days of our EU tax/subscription would buy free prescriptions for all of Great Britain for a year.

Wollop

IMAGINE BUYING YOUR OWN HOUSE IN A NICE LITTLE QUIET CUL-DE -SAC, YOU BOUGHT IT FREEHOLD SO IT IS YOURS AND YOU HAVE NO MORTGAGE. ONE DAY YOUR NEIGHBOURS COMES ROUND AND SAY "WE ARE GOING TO LET YOU PAY US A HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY AND FOR THAT YOU MAY RUN AROUND OUR GARDENS AS LONG AS YOU FOLLOW OUR RULES - WE WILL ALSO BE ALLOWED TO RUN AROUND YOUR GARDEN FOLLOWING OUR RULES! WE WILL ALSO DICTATE TO YOU WHAT YOU CAN AND CAN'T DO IN YOUR HOME - ANY OUTSIDERS THAT SNEEK IN WE WILL SHIP UP TO YOUR HOUSE BECAUSE YOUR IN THE CORNER OUT THE WAY........need I continue? would you agree to any of this????? - But some completely idiotic people think full intergration or increased intergration with europe would be a good thing!!!! How ridiculous!! Why can't the neighbours just be friends??? Ever heard the expression 'dont put all your eggs in one basket'.

Ken68

I don't see it, Wollop, as US and THEM.
More of a club where we agree to agree on lots of things big and small.
Like no war and a clean environment.
Mind you, touch my British sausage at your peril, even if it is all grizzle, ground up bone and no meat

YANA

Ken68 wrote: »

Mind you, touch my British sausage at your peril, even if it is all grizzle, ground up bone and no meat

I don't want to go anywhere near your sausage...:eek:

Ken68

Sorry to lower the tone of the conversation, Lawrence.
Will someone explain to me the groupings within the EU. For example the Tories have recently joined/started a new group to de-stabilise the federal element. Seems to me that a strong response to outside events is the whole point. Anything else is Little Englander to be picked off whenever.

Ken68

This is worth a read

http://www.civitas.org.uk/eufacts/FSINST/CIT3.htm