Caravan on the road..

Batchy

Causing Danger to Other Road Users

Definition [Wilkinson's 23rd edition 15.65]
This offence may often overlap with other statutory offences, namely:

• Section 137 Highways Act 1980 (wilful obstruction of the highway) [Wilkinson's 6.204]; :j
• Regulation 103 Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986 and (causing or permitting a vehicle to stand on a road so as to cause an unnecessary obstruction) [Wilkinson's 6.204];
• Section 22 RTA 1988 (leaving vehicles in a dangerous position) [Wilkinson's 6.264];

Hi Silk, three LAW's you COULD be prosecuted under parking a Caravan on the road...

You dont get told to move it, you get prosecuted, like not wearing a seat belt, they dont necessarily give you an option to put it on first and if you refuse they DO YOU, they have a right to prosecute as you commited an offence.:p

you are not endangering children when on a cavavan park, as its NOT ON A ROAD, therefore to walk out behind a Caravan with Zero visability in a caravan park you might get run over by a passing dog or a frisbie, or a cyclist but apart from that im sure it would be fine.:cool:

Other road users are Pedestrians, including children, who we have a higher duty of care towards:eek:

Caravans need insurance where there is 'FAULT', so as it doesnt move a caravan owner will not get a producer cause its parked on the road. So if there is no drama, if it stays put, doesnt move or roll, or set on fire, or be set on fire, causing damage to other vehicles in the process (heat damage etc) then insurance will not be required. BUT, imagine the case its parked on the road, owner releases the brakes accidentally or slips while manouvouring and it slides down the road into another vehicle, pedestrian or child or house. It would be interesting to see the owners face and Bill afterwards with no insurance im sure you will find it will still be their responsibility as owner, and insurance, although not legally required, im sure through civil courts there would be a recourse to action for damages.:D

As you asked, You JUSTIFY IT TO THE POLICE, as they a law enforcers and the crown prosecution service if they decide to take matters further!!
:rolleyes:
OMG stop reading drivel off caravan sites... doh... :T

Silk

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Batchy you are a one

Causing Danger to Other Road Users

Definition [Wilkinson's 23rd edition 15.65]
This offence may often overlap with other statutory offences, namely:

• Section 137 Highways Act 1980 (wilful obstruction of the highway) [Wilkinson's 6.204]; :j
• Regulation 103 Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986 and (causing or permitting a vehicle to stand on a road so as to cause an unnecessary obstruction) [Wilkinson's 6.204];
• Section 22 RTA 1988 (leaving vehicles in a dangerous position) [Wilkinson's 6.264];

Please pay close attention to my first post and what is described on your latest attempt to prove your case

The word you should look out for is "OBSTRUCTION"
You will notice that all the above you quote is based on OBSTRUCTION
AS I have said many times now "Providing it is not causing OBSTRUCTION it is not illegal"
What is the point of coming up with "what if situations" ???

BUT, imagine the case its parked on the road, owner releases the brakes accidentally or slips while manouvouring and it slides down the road into another vehicle, pedestrian or child or house.

How about
What if a monkey escaped from the zoo steals a car hitches it up to the caravan and drives it into a school bus ?
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Gordon861

Batchy wrote: »

Causing Danger to Other Road Users

Definition [Wilkinson's 23rd edition 15.65]





This offence may often overlap with other statutory offences, namely:

• Section 137 Highways Act 1980 (wilful obstruction of the highway) [Wilkinson's 6.204]; :j
• Regulation 103 Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986 and (causing or permitting a vehicle to stand on a road so as to cause an unnecessary obstruction) [Wilkinson's 6.204];
• Section 22 RTA 1988 (leaving vehicles in a dangerous position) [Wilkinson's 6.264];

Hi Silk, three LAW's you COULD be prosecuted under parking a Caravan on the road...

But only if you actually either "Obstruct the Highway" or "Leave it in a Dangerous Position", you aren't guilty of these just due to the fact that you parked a caravan on a road. Neither is it necessarily "Causing Danger to Other Road Users" by being parked.

BTW a caravan is not strictly a vehicle because you aren't supposed to be in it whilst it is moving.

Batchy

Silk wrote: »

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Batchy you are a one



Please pay close attention to my first post and what is described on your latest attempt to prove your case

The word you should look out for is "OBSTRUCTION"
You will notice that all the above you quote is based on OBSTRUCTION
AS I have said many times now "Providing it is not causing OBSTRUCTION it is not illegal"
What is the point of coming up with "what if situations" ???

How about
What if a monkey escaped from the zoo steals a car hitches it up to the caravan and drives it into a school bus ?
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... you also are one SILK

Cause the likely hood of a monkey doing that is 0%, however, everytime a owner has to hook a caravan up to a car, they may need to manouvre the caravan first, hence taking off the brakes i would have thought, when they do this there is an obvious chance there could be a runaway caravan, please don't twist my words.

Obstruction, this is down to interpretation by a police officer and if found guilty is a crime, I don't know many people who would risk a criminal record for parking a caravan.

Being Parked in a dangerous position ie the third one, is not causing an 'obstruction' thats a new one my friend. I assume you have a caravan and park it outside your neighbours house all the time rather than coughing up to park in an appropriate site. The fact its not a vehicle has nothing to do with it, if something is on the highway and is parked in a dangerous position im sure you will find this will be a problem.

A 'Nuisance', is a CIVIL Tort, and about affecting use and enjoyment of property/ land. The council is our landlord in each area, and if they deem you affecting the use and enjoyment of someone else's property by parking a caravan in a public road, they will ensure it is removed.
Public roads should not be used for storage, being legally parked for one night for loading wouldnt be a problem and the council wouldn't be able to react, hence the post above, about loading/parking overnight.

Anyway, ive answered my critics.

and my point was I disagreed with the whole ... yea its legal to park a caravan on the road blanket statement... over night yes/maybe as long as the necessary conditions are met, BUT for permanent storage purposes NO.

Have a good day!:beer:

oldone_2

Look on the bright side. If it is parked in the road in a residential area, it is not being towed on a motorway heading south, and causing massive traffic tailbacks.:D

Silk

Batchy wrote: »

... you also are one SILK

Cause the likely hood of a monkey doing that is 0%, however, everytime a owner has to hook a caravan up to a car, they may need to manouvre the caravan first, hence taking off the brakes i would have thought, when they do this there is an obvious chance there could be a runaway caravan, please don't twist my words.

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Batchy what exactly is your problem ???????
Is it because you don't like being proved wrong or something ????
The "what if" situations have no bearing whatsoever with the fact that it is legal to park a caravan on the road so long as it doesn't cause an obstruction.
The scenario you create about the handbrake when they manouvre it is all if's and but's

Obstruction, this is down to interpretation by a police officer and if found guilty is a crime, I don't know many people who would risk a criminal record for parking a caravan.

Why is it down to a police officer to decide what is obstruction ?
The argument would be if another vehicle of similar size can park in the same position then so can a caravan. I'm quite sure if the owner of the van was asked to move it because of obstruction then every time a vehicle was parked in that spot he would be on the phone asking for the Police to move it. If they didn't move subsequent vehicles he would have a good case for victimisation.

Being Parked in a dangerous position ie the third one, is not causing an 'obstruction' thats a new one my friend. I assume you have a caravan and park it outside your neighbours house all the time rather than coughing up to park in an appropriate site. The fact its not a vehicle has nothing to do with it, if something is on the highway and is parked in a dangerous position im sure you will find this will be a problem.

Whats being parked in a dangerous position got to do with the price of fish :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
As it happens I don't have a caravan and never have although I confess I do have a motor home which is taxed mot'd and insured and use it about 2 months a year. when it's not in use it's parked at the bottom of my drive.
I asssume now that because you have been proved wrong and accusing me of having a caravan and parking it outside peoples houses you are taking this to a personal level :eek:
Rather pathetic and childish of you don't you think

A 'Nuisance', is a CIVIL Tort, and about affecting use and enjoyment of property/ land. The council is our landlord in each area, and if they deem you affecting the use and enjoyment of someone else's property by parking a caravan in a public road, they will ensure it is removed.
Public roads should not be used for storage, being legally parked for one night for loading wouldnt be a problem and the council wouldn't be able to react, hence the post above, about loading/parking overnight.

I yet again refer you to my first post on the subject

Silk wrote: »

Hi Gaby,
As far as I'm aware it is not illegal to park a caravan on the road even unhooked, providing it's not causing an obstruction and complies with the usual parking rules such as reflectors and lights etc etc.
It is illegal to occupy a caravan parked on the road though so if they were sleeping in it etc you could get it moved.
There are sometimes some local by law's with council's which may cover it though depending on how your local council feel about caravans

Does it not say Council ? I think you find it does

Batchy wrote: »

do not mislead anyone else into thinking it is ok to park a caravan on the road,.

I am not misleading anyone Batchy and yet you accuse me of it :eek:
You also accuse me of being an inconsiderate caravan owner :eek:
I suggest you take the chance to apologise on both counts whilst you still have a little bit of dignity

Batchy

Silk you ask me to show you something... I do, then you say what are you going on about, you take each of my post in solitary confinement

so to answer your questions

1) I have no problem, im just answering your questions, when I first answered I never knew the facts, so then I reasearched it?? is that wrong of me, just like im doing now! To which you always seem to reply with more questions each time.

2) If you show me on what point you have proved me wrong, then I may be able to answer? If buts and what if's would be all the considerations the council would actually take into account!

3) Why is it a police officers responsibility to decide on obstruction, its because a police officers responsibility is to uphold the law the RTA 1988 and highway act of 1980 etc, and prevent people from breaking it, and punish those who do with necessary prosecution. Who else would do this?

4) being parked in a dangerous position has to do with THIS "Section 22 RTA 1988 (leaving vehicles in a dangerous position)" This again is a LAW, and has nothing to do with an obstuction. As i said it was a new thing that you haven't mentioned in your thorough detailed and informative explanation of what is legal.

5) I assumed you did have a caravan, you have a motorhome, how wrong of me to assume that so, I was wrong ... so you say. May I bow down at your feet now you have 'proved' me wrong? please accept my apologies in assuming that.

6) council, yes you did mention council, ill give you credit for that one... yep you proved me wrong, or something along those lines

just to repeat my overall point

"I disagreed with the whole ... yea its legal to park a caravan on the road blanket statement... over night yes/maybe as long as the necessary conditions are met, BUT for permanent storage purposes NO."

OMG, the troll's just never go away!

Silk

Batchy wrote: »

Silk you ask me to show you something... I do, then you say what are you going on about, you take each of my post in solitary confinement

Batchy how long is this going to go on for ????????
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I asked you Please show me where I said it's a danger to children

I also asked Please show the law which states it's illegal to park on the road as has been shown as far as the Police are concerned on their website it isn't

Again I asked Please show me the law which says it's not other than a council one if it exists as a local by law

Also in response to your post of "the onus is on the owner of the caravan to prove WHY they are doing it, if it is reasonable? and Justify it! or MOVE IT ultimately"

I asked you Justify it to who exactly ?
Because if it's not illegal he doesn't have to justify it to anyone does he ???

You have not been able to answer the questions other than to waffle on with all the "what if" situations

1) I have no problem, im just answering your questions, when I first answered I never knew the facts, so then I reasearched it?? is that wrong of me, just like im doing now! To which you always seem to reply with more questions each time.

You haven't answered the questions though have you ? and you can research it as much as you want but the answer will not change "It is not illegal to park a caravan on the road"
For some reason because I own a motor home you seem to think I am biased against the OP's plight and made up the facts which is not the case.

You can waffle on and on saying about potential obstructions and parking in dangerous positions and hanbrakes being let of etc etc etc
It still will not change the facts

The OP asked

Is there any legality on this as to why it shouldn't be there or is it ok to leave it? i had a feeling it had to be attatched a vehicle and it wasn't but now is..does that make a difference?
thanks!

I answered with the FACTS but for some reason you want to dispute the FACTS and talk about a subject you admit you don't know about without googling it :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
Shall we run through a few of your statements on this .....

They cannot be on a public highway uninsured, what if the brakes fail and it slides down a hill into a field full of children... unlikely yes... but could happen, like a child running around it playing and tripping over the towing arm and injuring themself.

I personally think this is the case, but cannot point you to the correct point of law for it!

And having found you were wrong yet again you posted .......

Ok so it doesnt need to be insured?

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Your next post was .........

I don't understand then, if you can park caravans anywhere, why do travellers just not park down the road of some rich nice street with a house every 100 yards?

There is a law im sure...

I pointed out to you "Because as I said earlier it's illegal to occupy them ie sleep overnight in them etc"

I could go on but what would be the point as for some reason you just don't want to accept the FACTS :cool:

However one last question Batchy so we can put this to bed ......

Batchy wrote: »

OMG, the troll's just never go away!

Are you calling me a Troll :eek: