Hubby has a speeding fine

HappyG1rl

The violation says "Speed 1:40". What does it mean?

robnye

there is a website more suited to helping your query, but for the life of me i cant remember what it is

im sure someone will be along in a minute and tell you

savemoney

Thinking its this

http://www.pepipoo.com

dieselhead

I think you may be thinking of https://www.pepipoo.com I think that unfortunately there is very little you can do to challenge these tickets, generally people will say that so and so down the pub got out of a ticket by doing a,b,c but it seems that all the loopholes have been closed and if the OP's husband was driving then it may be better to take the fine or hope to be offered a drivers awareness course.

You can I believe request to the camera's calibration certificate if you are concerned about the accuracy of the camera, however I am unsure about how you go about doing this, again pepipoo should be able to offer you some guidance on this.

flyingscotno1

Toots wrote: »

My hubby is happy (well, perhaps that's not quite the right word to use) to pay the fine and take the points if he was speeding but he has been making sure for the last three years to drive at no more than the speed limit. He isn't trying to get out of it if he has been speeding.

He hasn't driven down this road for at least a couple of years but reckons it was a 40mph limit fo the 30 years that he did use it so it must have changed speed limit in the last few years. We drove down it the other day to check and we couldn't see any speed limits so presume he is just supposed to know it is a 30 limit by being built-up or distance betwen lamposts or something like that.

Maybe I could find out from Highways agency when it changed to 30 and why there aren't speed limit signs?

Anyone any ideas what the things mean on the violation (speed 1:40 speed 2:0 ?).

England is different from Scotland but yes I believe in England no speed limit signs on a street-lit road means 30mph unless signed in England- and unless there is an error in signage that is the only way back.

You should find on the picture a data-box super-imposed onto it. The databox in this instance for speed camera states Speed 1 and Speed 2. From memory speed 1 is vehicle speed, and speed 2 is camera speed. If the camera is stationary it is 0!

The way to check is to go to the camera. Measure distance between white road markings- you know the time is 0.5seconds between photos, so work out how many markings the vehicle travels in that time, that gives you distance then do distance over time and work out how fast you are going.

Coblcris

Two vehicles in shot can invalidate the FPN. Better to take this to the aforementioned forum.

sarahg1969

I agree - go to pepipoo.

If your hubby didn't know where he was supposed to have been speeding, it's possible that the locus was not clear enough on the NIP.

robnye

it wont hurt to mention on 'pepipoo'

bargepole

dieselhead wrote: »

I think that unfortunately there is very little you can do to challenge these tickets, generally people will say that so and so down the pub got out of a ticket by doing a,b,c but it seems that all the loopholes have been closed and if the OP's husband was driving then it may be better to take the fine or hope to be offered a drivers awareness course..

This is, with the greatest of respect, very bad advice. I am that man in that pub.

There is plenty you can do to challenge these tickets, and in this particular case, if there are two vehicles in shot, it's a complete no-no as far as admissible evidence is concerned.

The OP should NOT pay any fixed penalty or go on any speed awareness course, they should elect to fight it in court, where there's a good chance it will be dropped once the "evidence" is properly examined.

dieselhead

bargepole wrote: »

This is, with the greatest of respect, very bad advice. I am that man in that pub.

There is plenty you can do to challenge these tickets, and in this particular case, if there are two vehicles in shot, it's a complete no-no as far as admissible evidence is concerned.

The OP should NOT pay any fixed penalty or go on any speed awareness course, they should elect to fight it in court, where there's a good chance it will be dropped once the "evidence" is properly examined.

I can see from your signature that you have been very successful in challenging speeding cases. However in my experience from the car forums I frequent people have challenged tickets gone to court and wound up worse off generally with larger fines and a day off work etc. Maybe this is because they lack the knowledge required to challenge these cases sucessfullly. That is why I suggested as I did not to challenge, perhaps that is defeatist

bargepole

In the snappily-titled ACPO Code of Practice for Roads Policing Enforcement Technology, section 16 (page 77 of 110) it says:

"A close examination should be made of the film by the operator with a view to ensuring it gives:

• Clear and unambiguous evidence of the offence.
• A record of all the information required by type approval.

Where there is a suggestion in the image that two or more vehicles are, or may, be in the measurement field, the reading must be disregarded."