Graduates and school leavers face jobs crunch

BettiePage

campbell87 wrote: »

Graduating in July and heading back to uni in Sept, not alot of prospects out there right now so I'll give it a while and just stick to the Saturday job for now! I remember when I went to uni 3 years ago and we were told about what we could expect when we left, my how things have changed so quickly!

I'm lucky. The job situation for newly qualified nurses has swung the other way since I started in September 06.
Two months after qualifying out of the cohort then, only about 50% had a job.
We officially qualify this September and already getting on for 80% of us have a job. I got a job offer yesterday :j


Just need to pass the course now. One assignment and one exam to go......

Mini_Bear

I agree with some of the posters a lot of uni grads have done themselves few favours over the three years of studying. i held down a part time job while at uni then wrked full time juggling 3 jobs in the summer hols, i saved 2k and paid for myself to do voluntary work (teaching english) in sri lanka in the summer after the 2nd yr. i went bak for my final year full of vigour and ready to captain the netball team. i had so much to talk about at graduate interviews and needless to say i had plenty of offers.
many of my peers relied on the bank of mum and dad to provide for them and spent all summer at home watching tv and complaining of bein bored and broke.
terribly tho many of the medic students i lived with and have now just graduated (6 yrs of hard study) are fighting for jobs and many are having to go abroad to get experience.
the UK is in such a mess

iltisman

The one great advantage these graduates have is youth.Things will change in the UK or they can escape to another country. Oldies like me are stuck and change won't happen fast enough for us.

bubblesmoney

Mini_Bear wrote: »

I agree with some of the posters a lot of uni grads have done themselves few favours over the three years of studying. i held down a part time job while at uni then wrked full time juggling 3 jobs in the summer hols, i saved 2k and paid for myself to do voluntary work (teaching english) in sri lanka in the summer after the 2nd yr. i went bak for my final year full of vigour and ready to captain the netball team. i had so much to talk about at graduate interviews and needless to say i had plenty of offers.
many of my peers relied on the bank of mum and dad to provide for them and spent all summer at home watching tv and complaining of bein bored and broke.
terribly tho many of the medic students i lived with and have now just graduated (6 yrs of hard study) are fighting for jobs and many are having to go abroad to get experience.
the UK is in such a mess

medical graduates are GUARANTEED positions for foundation programs. even foreign students get compulsorily placed. so that bit about medical students not getting placed is not correct. we have medical students who have not yet passed their exams who are waiting for the results who have already been alloted jobs and who are doing attachments with us to get a hang of things for when they start. ofcourse one will always find some who will want a placement in a place of their choice only and if they dont get it there then they will moan about too much competetion. everyone cannot get their first choice, some people will have to move from their places if they are to get work.
even for higher training posts quite a few posts are vacant even after the 2nd round of selections and in our region just in one speciality 30 ST posts are going vacant! quite a few trusts are trying to recruit abroad to fill the short fall in service provision. people arent even willing to come for interviews spending their money from abroad without a confirmed job, so now teams are going abroad to interview candidates for jobs in quite a few specialities from many hospitals. NACT has been warning about this shortage for many months in emails freely available on doctors forums. so who ever told you they are having trouble getting jobs has been telling porkies or has been trying for a job in a small geographic area or probably only applied for a very sought after hospital. if medical students are getting alloted jobs even before they pass the exam then surely there cant be a shortage of jobs! because of shortages sometimes consultants are having to do oncalls to fill in gaps in the junior doctors rota! or sometimes units are being closed down for emergencies because no registrar cover is available for oncalls.

Mini_Bear

Yeah they are bein reasonably fussy with the areas they want to work in. but as northerners they are afraid of london. shame really.

ukcarper

treliac wrote: »

It's also true that you won't get anywhere in many spheres of work, without a degree. But it's equally important, IMO, to choose your subject carefully. 'Hobby' degrees are too plentiful and are not going to be in hot demand.

Also a lot of jobs you could get without a degree now require a degree. I left school in the sixties with just 1 O level but managed to get a degree level qualification through day release how easy would it be to do that now.

GrammarGirl

Mini_Bear wrote: »

Yeah they are bein reasonably fussy with the areas they want to work in. but as northerners they are afraid of london. shame really.

Yes, because it's a given that all us Northerners are afraid of London. Big scary place. Now where is my flat cap?

Mini_Bear

I would move bak to the north east from london in a heart beat if i could get a job. im not suprised ppl r scared of london tho look at the house prices/rents.

baby_boomer

Tony Bliar's justification for charging tuition fees - ie that graduates would earn 40% more than their contempories - may not ring true for the current crop of finalists.

Good luck to all MSErs in that situation.

Why can't government be straight with us? All of a sudden, with RPI heading into negative territory, the government changes the rules on what students owe in 2009/10 so that debts don't reduce once we have deflation .

That's not fair.

chewmylegoff

baby_boomer wrote: »

Tony Bliar's justification for charging tuition fees - ie that graduates would earn 40% more than their contempories - may not ring true for the current crop of finalists.

Good luck to all MSErs in that situation.

Why can't government be straight with us? All of a sudden, with RPI heading into negative territory, the government changes the rules on what students owe in 2009/10 so that debts don't reduce once we have deflation .

That's not fair.

trouble is that the figures that justify the 40% extra earnings are backwards looking and are based the historic situation that only 'the best' went to uni. as you highlight, i doubt it will be the same going forwards now that a much greater number of people (i.e. less academically minded people) are going to uni.

if you get a 2:1 from say the top 20-30 unis then that's one thing, but i doubt that people (in general) falling outside of that bracket are going to do earn a lot more just because they have a degree. some people will undoubtably earn less as a result of going to uni as they will be working for fewer years.

pretending polys are unis was a mistake in my view. should have given extra vocational focus within the higher education system, not sought to churn out graduates with poorly regaded degrees in academic subjects.