VAT on restaurant receipts

Any

Hi,
I am wondering if any VAT expert can help me.

When I claim VAT (I mean the company) on receipts from restaurant (employee's expenses) where VAT is NOT separately split out, what are the rules?

Basicaly you have a receipt with let's say Food £13.50, bar drinks £3.50. VAT number is stated on the receipt so I can theoreticaly claim VAT on the purchases. But can I claim straight 15% of the gross amount or are there some rules like you cannot claim for alcoholic drink? And when do they know whether it is alcoholic drink?
This one for example only say "bar drink", it doesn't state beer or gin or anything like that...

So how much VAT can I reclaim?

Thank you

Raksha

Do you mean gross or nett?

I thought if you were charged VAT it had to be shown as a seperate amount by law.........
I know of at least one cafe where they are still charging VAT @ 17.5% because they 'don't know how to change the tills'!

Any

Raksha wrote: »

Do you mean gross or nett?

I thought if you were charged VAT it had to be shown as a seperate amount by law.........
I know of at least one cafe where they are still charging VAT @ 17.5% because they 'don't know how to change the tills'!

The gross or nett is not the issue, I can calculate the VAT amount.
The issue is what can I claim and what I cannot.

From HMRC
VAT on bills and receipts

Most retail prices on bills and receipts include VAT - it is not shown separately. However some may have a line under which they show the VAT element. This doesn't mean you're being charged extra - it just shows how much of the price is made up of tax.
Non-retail invoices from VAT-registered suppliers (for example from builders or painters and decorators who are VAT registered) must show a separate amount for VAT. They must also show the 9-digit VAT registration number of the business.


So only non-retail invoices must separate VAT by law.

Raksha

Sorry I tried to help

Any

Raksha wrote: »

Sorry I tried to help

I know, thank you

RayWolfe

You must have a VAT receipt. A VAT receipt shows the suppliers VAT number and generally splits out the VAT. You have a right to demand a VAT receipt.

Money_Grabber13579

as far as i was aware, you had to have a vat receipt for everything that you wanted to claim back. While retailers don't have to give you one, if you want to claim the vat back, you have to ask for. Hence, as far as i'm aware, if you don't have a vat receipt, then you can't claim anything.

Any

As I've said, I have the receipt.
It does have the supplier's name, address and VAT number on it.

Bean_Counter

Any wrote: »

So only non-retail invoices must separate VAT by law.

Have a look at this link, and in particular the bit about simplified VAT invoices for retail sales.

Money_Grabber13579

Any wrote: »

As I've said, I have the receipt.
It does have the supplier's name, address and VAT number on it.

yep but what we're trying to say is that it must show the vat as a seperate line item!

Raksha

Money_Grabber13579 wrote: »

yep but what we're trying to say is that it must show the vat as a seperate line item!

Not if the total of the invoice is less than £250 - as per the link from Bean Counter