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Are the minimum wage increases enough?

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  • mardatha
    mardatha Posts: 15,612 Forumite
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    If anybody here could go and read what Hitlers national socialists promised before they got into power, they would see just where this lot are coming from. I know fine that a lot of people will believe them and vote for them but they are very very dangerous and it is a mistake!!!
    People up here wont vote for them, we have the SNP. Thank god.
  • dopester
    dopester Posts: 4,890 Forumite
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    vivatifosi wrote: »
    1. Stop 80 million Turks swamping Britain

    Don't you think they are over-reacting there?

    And migration often is driven by economic opportunity, or gain. Labour has ensured the UK won't be a land of opportunity for many of your average hard-working immigrants for many years to come - nor for any that may have been attracted to the UK for generous welfare benefits.

    It could be other countries who protest more about the damn UK-ers coming for the jobs and taking too much of the resources.
  • vivatifosi
    vivatifosi Posts: 18,746 Forumite
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    I spent a long time Dopester monitoring the big office construction projects in the UK, as well as the big warehouse and factory projects (those that would be large enough to have a sizeable office as part of the site). I never tallied the number of overseas companies, but my view is that between 10-20% of the companies occupying those sites, year in, year out, were foreign parented, some years it would be at the high end of the scale, others at the bottom, but there were always big foreign investors coming here. A substantial number of these were American. Therefore I don't think we can say what a British job is.

    If we withdraw from the EU, whether as a result of BNP or UKIP power, my concern is that a large number of those companies would pull out. If they did, our unemployment tally would be far higher and the issue of what the minimum wage should be would be far less important than where we would find new employment sources for those that lost their jobs.

    I think the issue of Turkey is secondary and scaremongering. Barosso himself has said accession is unlikely within the next 12 years and while the UK has been in favour, not every country is. Plus, even if Turkey did join, the UK may be able to act the same way as many countries did in the previous round of enlargement and stop full access to their countries. To suggest that the BNP has to get in now to stop it happening imminently is just wrong.
    Please stay safe in the sun and learn the A-E of melanoma: A = asymmetry, B = irregular borders, C= different colours, D= diameter, larger than 6mm, E = evolving, is your mole changing? Most moles are not cancerous, any doubts, please check next time you visit your GP.
  • A_fiend_for_life
    A_fiend_for_life Posts: 1,643 Forumite
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    vivatifosi wrote: »
    Tell what like it is?

    I just pulled the BNP leaflet I received out of the bin to state what it says in terms of their "Key Pledges":

    1. Stop 80 million Turks swamping Britain
    2. Get Britain out of the EU
    3. BNP MPs to give 10% of salaries to an English Fair fund

    I like the 80 million one. According to wikipedia the population of Turkey is 71,517,100. I guess 8.5 million are on the way already.

    1[STRIKE] Stop 80 million Turks swamping Britain[/STRIKE]. 9 million Turks on the way.
    2. Get Britain out of the EU
    3. BNP MPs to give 10% of salaries to an English Fair fund
  • ninky_2
    ninky_2 Posts: 5,872 Forumite
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    vivatifosi wrote: »
    I think the issue of Turkey is secondary and scaremongering. .

    i can't wait for turkey to be in the eu. another great part of the world that i'll have equal rights as turks to live and work in.
    Those who will not reason, are bigots, those who cannot, are fools, and those who dare not, are slaves. - Lord Byron
  • lightisfading
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    re. HSBC - I was under the impression they pay carp wages actually. I worked there for a year for min wage cashiering - and doing umpteen unpaid hours of overtime (either stay late, or walk out leaving the tills as they are and money out of the safe etc - and thus get sacked .. not much choice about the overtime). High stress and responsibility for the same pay as shop work.. and my mum wonders why I quit!

    re. training. I've worked in retail, the bank, and now admin work for the council - all min wage. I'd love to train, but even 'basic' computer qualifications which almost every admin job asks for are currently priced around £400. Where exactly is a minimum wage worker meant to find £400? (ignoring the argument that it will increase eventual income.. it's finding it in the first place!). I can't understand why adult education in my area is free for those on benefits but full cost for those on min wage who often have LESS disposable income.
  • dylansmum
    dylansmum Posts: 234 Forumite
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    re. HSBC - I was under the impression they pay carp wages actually. I worked there for a year for min wage cashiering - and doing umpteen unpaid hours of overtime (either stay late, or walk out leaving the tills as they are and money out of the safe etc - and thus get sacked .. not much choice about the overtime). High stress and responsibility for the same pay as shop work.. and my mum wonders why I quit!

    re. training. I've worked in retail, the bank, and now admin work for the council - all min wage. I'd love to train, but even 'basic' computer qualifications which almost every admin job asks for are currently priced around £400. Where exactly is a minimum wage worker meant to find £400? (ignoring the argument that it will increase eventual income.. it's finding it in the first place!). I can't understand why adult education in my area is free for those on benefits but full cost for those on min wage who often have LESS disposable income.

    Adult Ed has been slashed to pieces - so much for life long learning. There are reductions for course if you are low -waged, but often the courses are hard to find. Government has cut all funding of retraining if someone already as an equiv level qual - a disaster! So sorry for your plight.
  • vivatifosi
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    re. training. I've worked in retail, the bank, and now admin work for the council - all min wage. I'd love to train, but even 'basic' computer qualifications which almost every admin job asks for are currently priced around £400. Where exactly is a minimum wage worker meant to find £400? (ignoring the argument that it will increase eventual income.. it's finding it in the first place!). I can't understand why adult education in my area is free for those on benefits but full cost for those on min wage who often have LESS disposable income.

    I'd ask your employer's HR department. Most local govt depts operate Investors in People standards and they may offer training courses. They would be my first port of call. Also check your local library as they often have information on courses running locally.
    Please stay safe in the sun and learn the A-E of melanoma: A = asymmetry, B = irregular borders, C= different colours, D= diameter, larger than 6mm, E = evolving, is your mole changing? Most moles are not cancerous, any doubts, please check next time you visit your GP.
  • PolishBigSpender
    PolishBigSpender Posts: 3,771 Forumite
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    vivatifosi wrote: »
    I think the issue of Turkey is secondary and scaremongering. Barosso himself has said accession is unlikely within the next 12 years and while the UK has been in favour, not every country is. Plus, even if Turkey did join, the UK may be able to act the same way as many countries did in the previous round of enlargement and stop full access to their countries. To suggest that the BNP has to get in now to stop it happening imminently is just wrong.

    It just won't happen anytime soon. The EU learnt a very nasty lesson in respect of trying to integrate the A10 countries, and with a block on employment of Romanian and Bulgarian nationals by most EU countries - they simply won't accept Turkey.

    Even speaking as someone who greatly benefited from expansion of the EU, there's just too much opposition from the likes of Poland towards Turkish entry.

    In my opinion, we'll see Ukraine enter the EU before Turkey.
    From Poland...with love.

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    sitting on the floor.
    Their
    books are lying on the floor.
    The books are sitting just there on the floor.
  • stamford
    stamford Posts: 5,175 Forumite
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    ninky wrote: »
    i can't wait for turkey to be in the eu. another great part of the world that i'll have equal rights as turks to live and work in.

    Are their any other Karsi states you'd like to see in the EU - Afghanistan, North Korea, Somalia, Pakistan perhaps ?
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