MONEY MORAL DILEMMA. Should Lofty hold out for his dream job?

Soubrette

wishface wrote: »

Actually it does, though not necessarily because of being at university. If society wants people to pay into it then it very much owes them something.

Certainly there are plenty of pointless university courses and plenty of poorly run universities offering bad advice and unrealistic prospects. They are no less exploitative than these godawful state-funded jobcentre providers (like working links and the new deal) and they should be stopped. But if someone is studying for something that isn't clearly a mickey mouse degree in david beckham studies then absolutely they should be helped.

I really dn't understand why people in society have become so bitter and twisted that they actually resent people apsiring to better themselves. Are people so envious they begrudge a few quid in benefits to someone who might go on to pay that back through getting a better job than some meaningless casual minimum wage rubbish that won't lead anywhere.

This post actually encapsulates what is wrong with many in society today - gone are the days of 'ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for for country' mentality. Now it's all about how entitled people feel. I have a degree so I'm entitled to a good job, I want a new car and next door have one, I work as hard as them so I'm entitled to get one even if it be on credit I can't afford, I want, I want, I want and who cares who else suffers because hey, it's all about me.

And if you disagree, why, you must be envious, bitter and twisted because I am the one that's owed and why would anyone begrudge that to me.

The sad fact is that most people work because they have to, some people are lucky enough to enjoy their jobs but not many.

Sou

Peter_87

I will soon be in the situation of Lofty. Currently I am preparing for my final year exams of a 4 year BA course.

I have worked part-time through out my time at College & University in retail and spent a year on a work experience placement within an office job.

As I don’t have the dream job waiting for me when I complete my exams my only choice is to continue in my current part-time job in retail (hopefully picking up extra hours) while searching for something better. I have even considered moving up internally within the organisation where I work part-time.

In the end I would rather be working than signing on as even though it’s not my desired job, it will mean that I can gain extra experience while searching for a better job and looks better to a potential employer that I was proactively working while searching for a more desirable job.

Tarry

He should take the supermarket job, and look around for suitable work whilst he is in that job.

awehla

Yep he should take the job. He could still job hunt and work at the same time. I kept my part time shop job at MK One till I got an office job after I finished uni. There are a lot of graduates like me still looking for their dream job years after graduating and that's if they know what they want to do in the first place.

awehla

Peter_87 wrote: »

I will soon be in the situation of Lofty. Currently I am preparing for my final year exams of a 4 year BA course.

I have worked part-time through out my time at College & University in retail and spent a year on a work experience placement within an office job.

As I don’t have the dream job waiting for me when I complete my exams my only choice is to continue in my current part-time job in retail (hopefully picking up extra hours) while searching for something better. I have even considered moving up internally within the organisation where I work part-time.

In the end I would rather be working than signing on as even though it’s not my desired job, it will mean that I can gain extra experience while searching for a better job and looks better to a potential employer that I was proactively working while searching for a more desirable job.

Exactly! Maybe I should have read the other posts before posting, doh.

natalouie

Poor Lofty will feel better doing any kind of job than doing nothing! As long as the supermarket job allows time for interviews and dream job hunting I say take it. Future employers will be more inpressed that he is doing something to support himself and gaining some employment experience than adopting a I am too good for this, attitude and sitting at home with a benefit check. If he really can't cope with the supermarket try volunteering for a charity at least you would be giving something back and building up contacts.

zebedy

A job is a job. He should take the supermarket job and can still look for another job in his spare time. Once he finds another job he can resign from the supermarket.

Why should tax payers pay for his arrogance.

It's supposed to be jobseekers allowance and he's been offered a job, if he's too proud to take it then he shouldn't get anymore benefits and shouldn't sponge off the state.

awehla

ceridwen wrote: »

I can see your point on this - as obviously you will be doing just that. So - possibly it might be beneficial to lie by omission in these circumstances.

Just one snag - how does one explain what happened in that 3 year gap on the C.V. if you cant admit to having been to University?

That's what I was thinking because even if you have a part time job on your CV for when you went to uni they might ask why it was only part time.

awehla

wishface wrote: »

None of that explains why, just that you are bitter and jealous. That seems to inform people's thinking more than anything else. Why should people be compelled to work? Why not find them something they can enjoy doing as that leds to long term employment, better money (and more paid in taxes) and a better society.

I think people have a right to be bitter and jealous when they work 35+ hours a week in a boring job whereas other people get money handed to them for doing nothing. People need to get real, work is work for a reason. It's not right, but we don't live in a Star Trek Utopia, we live in a world where you need money to survive.

awehla

Beavis98 wrote: »

That was my scenario way back in 1980 - after a few weeks I joined a management training program, and I ended up staying with them for over 20 years, working as a senior manager in the buying department! It can't do any harm, and shows on your CV that you can do what it takes, and don't mind hard work. Even a few weeks experience of work looks better than nothing, and you never know what is round the corner, what opportunities will arise.

Yeah my friend took a job at Severn Trent Water she was over qualified for and now she's on her way to doing an MBA (that they are paying for) and becoming a manager.