MONEY MORAL DILEMMA. Should Lofty hold out for his dream job?

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KatP wrote: »

At the firm where we work we have law graduates doing the filing, working on reception and working in secretarial roles, they apply for more senior positions when they come up and have a huge advantage over external candidates because they know the interviwer personally and have established a good record at the firm. They also require less training as they are familiar with the systems, the people and the values of the firm.

I do think its a great shame that some well paid professions still prey on this and although pay at the top can be fantastic, what a pity they dont reward the junior staff in a similar way.

Creative companies are the same or worse, in that they often expect people to work for nothing or expenses just to gain experience, thats exploitation !

jkc_2

with jobs few and far betwen he should take the job and be greatful for the offer of work. once you start to get unemployment gaps in your cv you are become virtually unemployable. hes a clever lad and will be up for management in no time.

dbfisokay

Lofty can only go on benefits if he meets the requirements for doing so. Presumably this will include details about what kind of work he is obliged to take. The question is not "Should he go on benefits while he waits for his dream job?" it is -Should he break the terms of his benefit claim?

If he is willing to take the consequences then yes. If he isn't then no. The graduate aspect in no way legitimises a fraudulent claim so that is redundant information. If graduation were to legititimise it then heaven help us all - most of our politicians are graduates :eek:

mohthom

Ebenezer_Screwj wrote: »

Lofty should take any job that’s going as these so-called degrees from so-called universities are not worth the paper they are printed on and prospective employers know this full well. We now have an entire generation who are barely educated past primary level and who are totally ignorant of the wider world outside of moronic television personalities, mobile phones and “networking” websites.

I'm going to assume that you either have no degree, or have been displaced from a job or beaten at interview by a graduate at some stage. Believe it or not, there are real graduates coming from real 'good' universities, even now. Cambridge and Oxford have not crumbled to dust, Durham and York are still in existence.

I know a LOT of people in exactly this position - including myself. From those with doctorates working on checkouts in tesco, to the post office, training for PGCEs etc. etc. - though not out of choice. One applied to join the police but was told his eyesight was too poor (go figure, with some of the things the police 'saw' at the G20 demos), and government departments wasted their time asking them (and me) to take KS3 literacy and numeracy tests before selection (again, friends with Ph. D's asked to take spelling and adding up tests to work for the jobcentre) - and no opportunity at any stage of the application to disclose any qualifications (relevant or otherwise).

I'd take anything that came along, and understand that the supermarket job would fire me instantly at a whim, so I would have no hesitation in leaving with zero notice - so use it as a time to apply for the 'dream job' using it as a routine. Antisocial hours suck, but if money is tight paid work is paid work. I've certainly done them often enough (though only outside of term time - my degree took up far too much of my time during term!).

Alison11_2

hmmm...well as someone who graduated in September I have been unable to get any kind of job because I have no experience, and am over qualified to stack shelves in supermarkets...no one wants to hire graduates!!! Lofty may have no choice.

wishface

'be grateful for the work'?

have we really gone back to the victorian ages then? next we'll be advertising for kids to go up the chimneys.

why should anyone be grateful for the opportunity to earn as little as possible in a mundane stultifying job in a career they don't want

skint_but_working_on_it

Go for the job Lofty!! It shows to future employers that he's willing to work regardless of what the pay/standard of the job is and in this climate you need all the help you can get to succeed in an interview. Besides, if he's sitting around at home doing nothing for a great length of time then his motivation to job hunt (or even to work at all) will drop. Working will keep him in the loop and might even lead to something higher up at the supermarket.

Beggars can't be choosers these days - regardless of their qualifications.

briz_hatchings

Alison11 wrote: »

hmmm...well as someone who graduated in September I have been unable to get any kind of job because I have no experience, and am over qualified to stack shelves in supermarkets...no one wants to hire graduates!!! Lofty may have no choice.

What you need is a break. If you are 'unable to get any kind of job because I have no experience' put some experience on your CV and get a mate to vouch for you should the prospective employer decide to check your reference. It might not be a shining example of integrity but I think it shows drive to suceed.

The same applies for the supermarket shelf stacker. Simply pitch yourself to the prospective employer at a lower level.

Not that that was what I did to get my foot on the ladder of course.

This kind of arguement shoudn't be used to support the case for him signing on for benefits.

Glowie2k2_2

He should take the job. It's actually not too bad working in a supermarket and not only that there are a fair few people who work part time in supermarkets even though they have fantasticlly well paid jobs in IT and Advertising. They only do them because of the fact that they have lots of friends there.

Not only that but isn't it the motto that you are more employable when you are employed???

Alison11_2

briz_hatchings wrote: »

What you need is a break. If you are 'unable to get any kind of job because I have no experience' put some experience on your CV and get a mate to vouch for you should the prospective employer decide to check your reference. It might not be a shining example of integrity but I think it shows drive to suceed.

The same applies for the supermarket shelf stacker. Simply pitch yourself to the prospective employer at a lower level.

Not that that was what I did to get my foot on the ladder of course.

This kind of arguement shoudn't be used to support the case for him signing on for benefits.

I didn't exactly mean it as an arguement for signing on for benefits, I have never ever felt so guilty for doing anything in my whole life as i feel for claiming my £19.55 a week for doing 3 things to look for a job, but I've been rejected by supermarkets, bookshops, call centres...as well as jobs in the music industry (which is where i got my degree and all of my work experience) the only job I have a chance at getting is working in a bar because I've been doing that for three years whislt studying. However none of the bars and pubs in my area seem to be hiring, but I'll keep trying.

All I'm saying is that even if Lofty applies for the job he still might not be lucky enough to actually be the most suitable person for the job as employers may feel that someone with a degree will move on very quickly whereas someone without may not be so eager to move on and up.

If he can get it, he should take it! Job hunting is so easy with a proliferation of internet sites to help you out, it can easily be done in your lunch break if nothing else!!!