Advice about doing extra unpaid hours

surreysaver

ldavies wrote: »

thats why i said i that i like them to be in. nobody is forced, at all.

by the time coats are off, handbags away, it is 9 am!

Im sure my customers would have something to say if the bank doors were not opened til 9.05!

So how can the bank be opened at 09:00 if that is the time the staff start? Do they not get walking time from a staff room to the front doors - or are they expected to do that in their own time as well? And they all carry keys on them to and from home to save time getting them out of a key safe at work too? Is that not putting staff at risk of robbery having them carry keys to a bank around with them?

surreysaver

Caroline73 wrote: »

I think I must work illegally everytime I go to work in the NHS then - not just me but almost everyone.

Should manage the time better, then.

Caroline73_2

surreysaver wrote: »

Should manage the time better, then.

I'll tell my patients to make sure they have their cardiac arrests at least an hour before the end of my shift then

surreysaver

Caroline73 wrote: »

I'll tell my patients to make sure they have their cardiac arrests at least an hour before the end of my shift then

Do the NHS not provide staff to deal with these incidents 24 hours, then?

Js_Other_Half

surreysaver wrote: »

Do the NHS not provide staff to deal with these incidents 24 hours, then?

The midwife who went with me to theatre for an unplanned C section was only there because she had agreed to work over her hours...?

Reds-on-Sea

Aren't hours over your contracted hours just called "overtime"?

Every job I've had has required me to stay late from time to time, when I've been salaried, it's 'unpaid' (in a manner of speaking), and now I'm hourly paid, so I do get paid extra.

Of course, the difference being, I had the choice of whether I stayed late or not. Legitimate overtime. I did it because I wanted to finish my work/needed the cash

I think what OP is trying to say is that their friend HAS to come in early/stay late every single shift, not as a matter of choice.

I think, depending on your past employment experience, this might seem unfair if you're used to stepping through the door 1 minute before your shift starts and stepping out 1 minute after it ends. Maybe your friend should get into the mindset that her working day is 30 mins longer than it actually is. Work out what the hourly rate comes to, and after an acceptable length of employment, or at the next review, suggest that shift times are adjusted by 15 mins to accommodate these extra duties, or that her hourly rate (I assume she's hourly?) is increased to compensate.

Personally, I think, it's fair that all staff have been made to stay late to finish the end of the day.

As the saying goes - "Many hands make light work"

Sharon87

When I worked at a small(ish) shop we had to be there 10 minutes before our shift started so we could go out on shop floor and be assigned our jobs for the day (given tills.etc). They worked out pay for every 15 minutes we worked (so finishing 5-10 minutes early/late wouldn't be paid)

At my current job we get paid from when we clock in to when we clock out, so we get paid for every minute we work. Then again it's minimum wage.

Does the OP's friend need to clock in/out? I think 5-10 minutes unpaid is acceptable, any more than that is exploitation.

surreysaver

Reds-on-Sea wrote: »

Personally, I think, it's fair that all staff have been made to stay late to finish the end of the day.

Personally, I don't think it is fair. Why does the contract simply not state what the actual hours are, and what the hourly rate actually is?

surreysaver

ldavies wrote: »

Coming in to work, sat down and working for 9 is the expected. If someone chooses to come in for a coffee and such first is acceptable but if your start time is 9 am for expample, i would expect my team to be at their desks at 9, not walking in at that time.

Employee ready for 9, yes. I don't think expecting the employee to start work earlier to make sure the workplace is ready should be expected - e.g. unlocking doors, booting up computers etc.

jane130

my daugher works in a detal surgery and her actual hours are 8.30 - 4/5 depending on the day . but she is expected to be in work to set up her room at 8am fully dressed in her uniform - which is not allowed to be worn off the premisies so in fact they are asking her to turn up at 7.50 when she doesn;t start getting paid until 8.30.

the other day there wwere no dentists after 4 so the nurses asked if they could got at 4.30 once the cleaning had been done and they were told no we pay you until 5 !!! she's not a happy bunny and is looking for another job but has to pay them £800 for her training if she leaves before oct 2010 .