CSA - A Joke!!

oesd31

It did use to be that if a child fell pregnant then CB ceased for that child however it changed. When I was doing my researchin May/June last year it did state on the CB web site that this is one of reasons for Cb no longer being paid then this disappeared of the site. I suppose with the number of teenage pregnancies thing have to alter to keep up with the times. In my case my ex claimed the money then passed the money on to our daughter so no one was out of pocket other then the good old tax payer.

As you say LG it will all depend on what happens after the baby is born. It may be for the same reasons as in my case as to why the teen is not allowed to claim in her own right

oesd31

Just remembered another http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/taxcredits/start/who-qualifies/children/not-child-parent.htm

You can claim Child Tax Credit if you have responsibility for a child. Here are some ways of working out whether you are responsible for a child:

• they usually live with you
• they keep their toys, clothes and so on at your home
• you pay for their meals and give them pocket money
• you are the main contact for their school
• you look after their health, organising visits to the doctor or dentist
• you have legal custody

If you're not sure whether you count as being responsible for a child you can call the Tax Credit Helpline for advice.
Example one

Sarah is a single parent with twin boys. After a while, Sarah and the boys move in with her new partner, James, and his son. Because she has a new partner, Sarah has to make a new joint claim for tax credits with James. As the main carer of all three boys, Sarah can claim tax credits for James' son as well as her own two children.
Example two

Aileen has a child while she is still at school. With the support of her parents, who look after the baby, she continues her education while still living at home.
Aileen's parents claim tax credits for the baby. Because Aileen is under 16 and her parents continue to look after her, they can get tax credits for her as well.

Whilst this is for TC I would imagine that CB is along similar lines.

SuziQ

Donna why didn't your husband ask the CSA for a reassessment when you had your child together? Most likely that would have reduced his payments.

We have had the whole 'no contact' thing which I won't go thru yet again as the regulars on here must be sick of it, but to be honest it would be very difficult and possibly dangerous to tie maintenance payments to contact. All this would do is encourage the pwc to alienate the children from their nrp so it looked as though she wasn't to blame.This is one of the many awful things we experienced-and even though the kids said to their mum in front of the cafcass officer at a contact centre 'mummy we did what you told us to-we told them we didn't want to see daddy' and she was seen saying well done,lets go to macdonalds instead-the judge just shook his head when it went back to court and said she obviously wasn't capable of seeing what damage she was doing to them. Over 5 years on,no physical contact,no photos or school reports for over a year and refuses to tell my husband where they are moving to in 2 weeks (over 200 miles away so we can hardly keep an eye or ask locals etc.)

Despite all of this he has carried on paying his set amount despite the problems he often has finding it (we are also now split.)

It's a very sad thing for the children and your husband must dispair at the disruption she has caused to his oldest childrens lives.

LizzieS_2

oesd31 wrote: »

Whilst this is for TC I would imagine that CB is along similar lines.

If a child (who has a child themselves) continues in education, CB will stop if they apply for benefits in their own name (think it means income support too).

Assuming there is only 1 child, who then goes on to have a child herself, this is the financial position:

Claim IS £50pw, plus tax credits £50pw, plus CB £20pw - total income to 'child' £120. PWC loses £50pw tax credits, plus CB £20 - total loss £70pw. Overall a net gain of £50pw into the household.

If PWC claims instead of child, tax credits £40pw plus CB £13 - total net gain £53pw.

On the full picture the household is better off with the pwc claiming by £3pw without even factoring in the csa.

oesd31

LizzieS wrote: »

If a child (who has a child themselves) continues in education, CB will stop if they apply for benefits in their own name (think it means income support too).

Assuming there is only 1 child, who then goes on to have a child herself, this is the financial position:

Claim IS £50pw, plus tax credits £50pw, plus CB £20pw - total income to 'child' £120. PWC loses £50pw tax credits, plus CB £20 - total loss £70pw. Overall a net gain of £50pw into the household.

If PWC claims instead of child, tax credits £40pw plus CB £13 - total net gain £53pw.

On the full picture the household is better off with the pwc claiming by £3pw without even factoring in the csa.

Not so sure I agree with you on this.
If the child claims she may well get £120pw however the PWC would also lose the csa so there may not be a gain into the household.

If the PWC claims they would get tax credits for 2 children (is it £50 for 1 then £40 for the 2nd - £90pw) and child benefit for 2 children - £33pw. Total £123pw plus csa
By the pwc claiming they would keep the existing TC and CB for child 1 plus get TC and CB for child 2 and keep the csa for child 1.

I think they household would be far better off than £3pw.

LizzieS_2

oesd31 wrote: »

I think they household would be far better off than £3pw.

I agree they would be. I did state I was excluding csa to just show the other benefit effects.

catenorfolk

why doesnt the pregnant daughter claim for child support against the father of her child when born?

oesd31

catenorfolk wrote: »

why doesnt the pregnant daughter claim for child support against the father of her child when born?

That would be seen as the daughter claiming her in own right so mum would lose. It would depend on the age of the father he may still be in education himself and therefore not able to pay child support.

donnadoo515

catenorfolk wrote: »

why doesnt the pregnant daughter claim for child support against the father of her child when born?

Why should she? they are still a couple. (although they are a couple who are not allowed to live together until 21 as told by her mother)

Oh thats another thing....does anyone know if a court can make an order for all children(5) to remain at home until they are 21? the ex has told the children that she has a court order to say this. but i don't think it exhists...and there is no reason why it should as they are not in danger etc

catenorfolk

donnadoo515 wrote: »

Why should she? they are still a couple.

Surely if he is not at school, then he should be supporting this child. He chose to have sex as well so should have some resposibility towards maintaining this baby.??

O